Rally Discussion and Bar Talk Thread

[Rallyper]

Honestly, there’s little point to compare with F1; they have a grid to fill and they’re mainly interested on drivers money to do it…

Despite Citroen pull out, the WRC is not living a sudden crisis and next season can be as exciting as the previous ones. Still, it makes total sense to question the series future, especially the new rules for 2022 and the promoter expansion plans; a thread about it was open a couple of weeks ago https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...422-WRC-future , why not use it?

But WRC have an entrylist to fill.

Well, the crisis to me is that suddenly there´s not enough seats for all the 10-15 drivers fast enough for top five places, if you understand what I mean?

[EstWRC]

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[steve.mandzij]

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That's even worse than the first concept...

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[pantealex]

Way too much redbull...

RedBull is not TGR´s biggest/main sponsor.

[Norm75]

So, who is a safe pair of hands, who likes to throw the car at the scenery, what cars are more reliable. Here is a list of dnf's for the factory drivers this year. Does not include rally2, feel free to edit and add.

Ott Tanak, Toyota - 0 dnf's
Seb Ogier, Citroen - 0 dnf's
Dani Sordo, Hyundai - 0 dnf's
Pontus Tidemand, M-Sport - 0 dnf's
Craig Breen, Hyundai - 0 dnf's
Takamoto Katsuta - 0 dnf's
Thiery Neuville, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Jari-Matti Latvala, Toyota - 1 dnf
Seb Loeb, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Kris Meeke, Toyota - 2 dnf's
Teemu Sunninen, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Andreas Mikkelsen, Hyundai - 2 dnf's
Elfyn Evans, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Gus Greensmith, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Esapekka Lappi, Citroen - 4 dnf's

Toyota - 3 dnf's
Hyundai - 4 dnf's
Citroen - 4 dnf's
M-Sport - 6 dnf's

[KiwiWRCfan]

Rally 2 finishes inserted below
Drivers split into 2 groups part and full season drivers
DNF + Rally 2 finishes added together to determine order now listed in

So, who is a safe pair of hands, who likes to throw the car at the scenery, what cars are more reliable. Here is a list of dnf's for the factory drivers this year. Does not include rally2, feel free to edit and add.

Drivers with part season
Craig Breen, Hyundai - 0 dnf's
Takamoto Katsuta - 0 dnf's
Dani Sordo, Hyundai - 0 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Pontus Tidemand, M-Sport - 0 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Seb Loeb, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Andreas Mikkelsen, Hyundai - 2 dnf's
Elfyn Evans, M-Sport - 2 dnf's
Gus Greensmith, M-Sport - 2 dnf's


Drivers with full season
Thiery Neuville, Hyundai - 1 dnf
Ott Tanak, Toyota - 0 dnf's & 2 rally 2 finishes
Seb Ogier, Citroen - 0 dnf's & 2 rally 2 finishes
Kris Meeke, Toyota - 2 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Teemu Sunninen, M-Sport - 2 dnf's & 3 rally 2 finishes
Jari-Matti Latvala, Toyota - 1 dnf & 5 rally 2 finishes
Esapekka Lappi, Citroen - 4 dnf's & 2 rally 2 finishes

Hyundai - 4 dnf's & 1 rally 2 finish
Citroen - 4 dnf's & 4 rally 2 finishes
M-Sport - 6 dnf's & 4 rally 2 finishes
Toyota - 3 dnf's & 8 rally 2 finishes

[steve.mandzij]

Oh my Jari Matti...

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[go mads]

Rally 2 finishes inserted below
Drivers split into 2 groups part and full season drivers
DNF + Rally 2 finishes added together to determine order now listed in

Stopped reading this list after the first line, craig breen 0 dnfs, so you would think as the original list states he doesn't throw cars into the scenery? Anyone remember myherin on rally gb?

Lists like this are unfair and pointless

[Oops!]

Breen has bent his fair share of metal in the past...

[Norm75]

Stopped reading this list after the first line, craig breen 0 dnfs, so you would think as the original list states he doesn't throw cars into the scenery? Anyone remember myherin on rally gb?

Lists like this are unfair and pointless

It's certainly not a definitive list, your right. Unfair, maybe a little as a dnf maybe car reliability related rather than driver error. Pointless, maybe that's a little too far. I think it's quite interesting to see the facts written in black and white, we sometimes see things a little unfairly against drivers we perceive to crash all the time when the reality may not be quite so bad.

Anyway, dorna have released the crash statistics in all MotoGP classes (as they do every year) so I just thought it might be a bit of fun to do the same for this seasons wrc drivers. It's there to take as you wish.