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2nd October 2019, 10:13 #101
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I think we would see the situation differently and that is ok. And l am not trying to defend Sebastien's conduct. We all know after "multi 21" that Seb would not comply with any agreement that he does not benefit from.
My particular qualms with the whole thing was that there should not have been an agreement, especially since they are not in the fight for the drivers championship but have a slim chance with the constructors title. Ferrari should have let their drivers race but ensure that they occupy the 1st and 2nd position after the start.
Leclerc just pissed me off with his whining. I have not heard that much whining since Alonso and the Honda engine.Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
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2nd October 2019, 14:24 #102
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Chuck is a smart kid .
He should have thought about the inherent disadvantage in it before he went out and took pole .
And , maybe should have thought about "multi 21" before making the agreement .
He's just learning .
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2nd October 2019, 14:45 #103
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I do blame Leclerc for exacerbating the situation.
Of the 2 drivers, clearly he was the slower one.
he got a poorer start (no matter what ferrari officially say to cover their ass)
and he absolutely could not keep up with Vettel's pace, to the point where Hamilton was able to stay in striking distance with mediums compared to leclerc's softs
Hamilton to his credit came out and explained how difficult it was to stay with the Ferrari ahead of him, essentially doing qualifying laps to do so
Meanwhile Leclerc just decided to whine constantly over the radio, even when he knew that he had a poorer start and less race pace than Vettel.
That should null and void any gentleman's agreement foolishly made prior to the start.
If they were racing nose to tail for the first 5 laps and then he backed up to save his tires, then came right back at vettel a few laps later, then i would see his point.
but he didn't and then tried to engineer his way to the front.
Just because you got pole on a saturday is no guarantee that it finishes that way on a sunday.
It also isn't your right to be on the lead after the red lights go out.
This isn't the first race at sochi and everyone knows the track. It is what it is.
But only Ferrari manage to mess things up royally. Both the team and leclerc come off looking bad.
This has been their pattern all season long. Trying to control the race from the pits.
Early in the year, it was them favoring vettel to Leclerc's detriment and now they have turned it around completely.
How about just letting them race from the start and the only instruction be to not take each other out. If a situation comes up during the race that makes sense then do so. But certainly not stupid agreements prearranged in a bizarre way to mitigate the nature of the track to one driver's benefit. Getting pole is no inherent right to win the race. All it says is that you were fastes on saturday and have a slight advantage starting the race.you can't argue with results.
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2nd October 2019, 14:49 #104
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2nd October 2019, 15:39 #105
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2nd October 2019, 15:40 #106
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2nd October 2019, 16:13 #107
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I think we all agree that these arrangements are foolish and should not be made but the part in bold is where you guys are going wrong. The agreement is the agreement regardless of whether Vettel was faster or not. Him being faster has nothing to do with the agreement and is entirely irrelevant. If he was faster like that I’m sure he could have passed LeClerc after he kept to the arrangement that was made pre race. Otherwise tough shit, he cannot just renege on the agreement just because it doesn’t suit him anymore.
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2nd October 2019, 17:07 #108
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Totally agree with you TBK .
Seb was trying to nullify the agreement by going fast enough to make it impractical .
It would be the only way for him to go if he felt he was being mistreated , being essentially forced into this agreement , and I think it was likely the case here .
I don't like that he didn't comply , but I don't like the thought that he'd be forced into such a dumb agreement , when the priority should just have been to be 1-2 out the turn 1 .
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2nd October 2019, 18:57 #109
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The problem with your argument is you assumed that Vettel agreed to the arrangement. You don't even know if he was pressured into the agreement. But you happily argue that he must comply to the agreement.
You finally get it. Vettel is not in the race to finish 2nd, he is in it to win. Any agreement with a result to the contrary will not register with him. And l am very much in agreement with him. I did not like the Multi 21 arrangement either.Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
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2nd October 2019, 19:02 #110
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It seems to me that the undercut that help Vettel so much in Singapore was going to help LeClerc is Russia. By that logic what happened at the start was to allow Ferrari a 1-2, keep Hamilton behind and use that order to dictate a strategy where they could win 1-2.
Do we all not agree that had Vettel's car not given up the pit stops would have allowed LeClerc to end up in 1st with Vettel in 2nd, finishing the GP with a Ferrari 1-2?Last edited by N. Jones; 2nd October 2019 at 19:06.
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