M-Sport Ford World Rally Teams

**mknight** · 17th December 2018, 18:28

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Sorry but it works the other way round - the Team needs the money first before they can afford sign a driver.

Wilson had to put up his own money to sign Ogier, Red Bull came in after.

Looks like you just cotradicted yourself.
First they used (own) money to get a top driver (Ogier) which then got sponsors interested. Just like able1 and others said.

Now they are trying to do it the other way (first part of your post) and so far it doesn't seem to work.

**able1** · 17th December 2018, 18:31

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

Sorry but it works the other way round - the Team needs the money first before they can afford sign a driver.

Wilson had to put up his own money to sign Ogier, Red Bull came in after.

Vicious circle .. without money you can't have top driver, without top driver you can't find sponsors.

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 17th December 2018, 18:33

Originally Posted by mknight

Looks like you just cotradicted yourself.
First they used (own) money to get a top driver (Ogier) which then got sponsors interested. Just like able1 and others said.

Now they are trying to do it the other way (first part of your post) and so far it doesn't seem to work.

They had to use Wilson's own money to get Ogier. He cant afford to do that again in case no sponsor comes.

He needs a sponsors money first..

**able1** · 17th December 2018, 18:38

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

They had to use Wilson's own money to get Ogier. He cant afford to do that again in case no sponsor comes.

He needs a sponsors money first..

Yes . But at least there is hope. Wilson is a very smart businessman , he would not ask for extension without a possible sponsor in sight.

**dimviii** · 17th December 2018, 18:52

Originally Posted by Got Mail

100% Yes.

what changed from the last 15 years?
they were present non stop at wrc level,and the company growed very much through this situation.

RS · 17th December 2018, 19:21

Originally Posted by Rally Power

Having 4 manus is important for the series; no idea if they’re doing it, but it’d be in the WRC promoter interest to help Wilson finding new sponsors or even asking their parent company (Red Bull) to keep providing MSport some support (sponsoring 2 teams wouldn’t be a problem, they do the same in F1).

Has it even been confirmed they are moving to Citroen as a team sponsor? Maybe just continuing as a personal sponsor of Ogier?

**T16** · 17th December 2018, 19:40

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie WRC;1202656]The cost of the '17 WRCar's is a big issue. Even Citroen cant afford to run 3 cars without another sponsor.

But you said there was no financial difference between what Redbull and Abu-Dhabi bring Citroen didn't you? Or have you changed your mind now?

**Rallyper** · 18th December 2018, 10:31

Everything should be solved if FIA doesn´t need champagne and caviar for every breakfast.

**Fast Eddie WRC** · 18th December 2018, 14:49

[QUOTE=T16;1202674]

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

The cost of the '17 WRCar's is a big issue. Even Citroen cant afford to run 3 cars without another sponsor.

But you said there was no financial difference between what Redbull and Abu-Dhabi bring Citroen didn't you? Or have you changed your mind now?

Mis-interpreting yet again.

I said I based this on M-Sport being able to run 3 cars in 2018 with Red Bull.

Citroen simply cant pay the difference, unlike Mr Wilson.

**T16** · 18th December 2018, 15:40

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie WRC;1202722]

Originally Posted by T16

Mis-interpreting yet again.

I said I based this on M-Sport being able to run 3 cars in 2018 with Red Bull.

Citroen simply cant pay the difference, unlike Mr Wilson.

I think it was M-Sport the company that funded Ogier, not Mr Wilson.