New R4 Car - Think Tank

**Rally Power** · 21st February 2018, 14:27

Originally Posted by racerx1979

The Baratec kits are extremely expensive. I do not see their 1600T setup being any cheaper than the R4 kits from Oreca. Bring back Group N in using Focus RS and Subaru WRX STI's

Spanish tuner RMC is selling full N5 cars (based on Baratec 1.6T MR’s) below R4 cars announced price. R4 tech concept is interesting and useful for the sport, but the main problem is to have a single supplier worldwide. It’d make more sense to implement an international regulation for the category and allow national tuners to build the cars according to those rules (a bit like AP4).

**Sulland** · 17th March 2018, 15:24

Is it known how many cars are buildt to date?

**pantealex** · 17th March 2018, 15:56

Originally Posted by Sulland

Is it known how many cars are buildt to date?

Oren only sells KIT´s, every team does building themselves. I don´t know how many KIT´s have been sold.

**Arnold Triyudho Wardono** · 26th March 2018, 21:45

No progress from Dytko's Micra & Evolve's Yaris..?

And Evolve to makes Mini R4..

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**Sulland** · 26th March 2018, 22:46

Originally Posted by pantealex

Oren only sells KIT´s, every team does building themselves. I don´t know how many KIT´s have been sold.

Oreca bid for the contract to make money.
To start off they need to demonstrate it, in several ERC or WRC events, to prove it is worth the money, and has stamina to reach the finish.

If not, they will sell very few I am afraid.

**AdvEvo** · 26th March 2018, 23:09

Originally Posted by Sulland

Oreca bid for the contract to make money.
To start off they need to demonstrate it, in several ERC or WRC events, to prove it is worth the money, and has stamina to reach the finish.

If not, they will sell very few I am afraid.

R4 Kit

It is the wrong way for new 4wd cars. To expensive i am afraid.

We need 4wd group N cars back!

Factory cars with some adjustments to make them ready for Rallying. This must be done for normal money.

**Sulland** · 26th March 2018, 23:33

Originally Posted by AdvEvo

R4 Kit

It is the wrong way for new 4wd cars. To expensive i am afraid.

We need 4wd group N cars back!

Factory cars with some adjustments to make them ready for Rallying. This must be done for normal money.

Agree, but I would take a R3t and let privat tuners make a 4WD system after certain specs.

**Mirek** · 27th March 2018, 09:13

Originally Posted by AdvEvo

We need 4wd group N cars back!

Nice but how about to be realistic? This will not happen and it's not a fault of FIA. Gr.N is dead by the development in automotive and society. Get used to that.

**Mirek** · 27th March 2018, 09:13

Originally Posted by Sulland

Agree, but I would take a R3t and let privat tuners make a 4WD system after certain specs.

How is that going to be cheaper than R4 and how is that better when there is only one up-to-date R3T car (Clio ; the DS3 is a model at the end of its lifecycle)?