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27th January 2018, 13:01 #11
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27th January 2018, 13:03 #12
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You could write a university thesis on this subject.
The whole beauty of different eras is that you simply can't compare. And it's only opinions anyway.
I actually do wonder whether Ogier might be better. Ask me in another couple of years.
One thing that would be quite cool to do is to compare two seasons in terms of driving talent and factory teams/machinery.Last edited by Simmi; 27th January 2018 at 13:17.
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27th January 2018, 13:10 #13
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27th January 2018, 13:20 #14
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27th January 2018, 13:40 #15
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Loeb has set never before seen standards of clean, fast and reliable driving. And no one has managed to do the same yet, not even ogier.
What both sebs have in common, is blinding speed in the beginning of their career, and smart driving later on. They started trying to win every stage, and ended going only for the championship.
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27th January 2018, 13:44 #16
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27th January 2018, 13:45 #17
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Loeb at his last championship was winning stages as at his first years.
last years stats here
https://www.ewrc-results.com/season/2012/Last edited by dimviii; 27th January 2018 at 13:48.
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27th January 2018, 13:55 #18
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Given that it doesn't really make sense judging a rally driver over its performances in other motorsports... Loeb in WTCC hasn't been overly impressive? Finishing one point behind Yvan Muller, a legend of touring car racing, in his second season? Plus as it was already said, 2nd place in Le Mans 24h... I'd like to see rally drivers doing better than that.
What I find impressive about Loeb is his speed straight out of the box, when he was a rookie. With a partial program in the newborn Xsara WRC in 2002, already winning Deutschland and almost winning Monte against drivers like Gronholm, Burns, Panizzi, McRae, Sainz, Makinen, Solberg and 6 other works teams... and then fighting for the title already in 2003. And then winning 9 consecutive titles after that.
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27th January 2018, 14:35 #19
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I got 2 things that lessen his greatness in my eyes.
1. The lack of tarmac drivers during his 9 tittles. he always had those 3 or 4 tarmac rallies, since there was no one near him in tarmac.
And that means drivers who were fighting for the title, not one rally.
2 We never saw the Ogier vs Loeb battle for the tittle in a different team.
On the other hand his neat driving style and the amount driving errors (almost none) makes him one of the best for sure
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27th January 2018, 14:49 #20
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