[WRC] News & Rumours (part V) 2017

**er88** · 6th October 2017, 07:46

Originally Posted by jparker

Neuville is the champ for 2017 in my book. I know consistency is part of the game, but without those silly mistakes in the beginning, we wouldn't talk about Ogier at all now. Also, there were few events where things were fare and square for both of them, and Neuville won easily. In Ogier's defense, his car is not up to the job, but that's something Ford boys are constantly denying. In any case, we can all see that Ogier (and probably Loeb) are not super humans if they don't have superior machinery in their hands.

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**macebig** · 6th October 2017, 08:01

Man, your hatred for Ford clearly needs to be taken care of..

**jparker** · 6th October 2017, 08:33

Originally Posted by AnttiL

The car "not up to the job" is going to win the manufacturer's championship, even if Ogier does not become driver's champion.

Yes but why? Because is better, or because all other teams had plenty of tech issues?

**jparker** · 6th October 2017, 08:36

Originally Posted by macebig

Man, your hatred for Ford clearly needs to be taken care of..

Well, you tell me why Ogier is not dominant this year then? Because he lost his driver's skills, or because of the car? Explain to me, I'm open for opinions.

**AnttiL** · 6th October 2017, 08:37

Originally Posted by jparker

Yes but why? Because is better, or because all other teams had plenty of tech issues?

Having as little tech issues as possible is a major part of winning the championship.

**greencroft** · 6th October 2017, 08:37

Originally Posted by jparker

Yes but why? Because is better, or because all other teams had plenty of tech issues?

I would think that NOT having tech issues is a big part of being better.

**AnttiL** · 6th October 2017, 08:39

Originally Posted by jparker

Well, you tell me why Ogier is not dominant this year then? Because he lost his driver's skills, or because of the car? Explain to me, I'm open for opinions.

It's always difficult to jump into new team and new car. Also, the new cars made the situation more equal for all teams, everyone started from scratch.

**jparker** · 6th October 2017, 08:43

Originally Posted by greencroft

I would think that NOT having tech issues is a big part of being better.

It depends what are you looking for. Car can be fast, reliable, or both. In terms of reliability, Ford started bad, but got it sorted and the end result is visible.
But in terms of speed and handling (Citroent excepted) , Ford is way back.

**AnttiL** · 6th October 2017, 08:44

Originally Posted by jparker

But in terms of speed and handling (Citroent excepted) , Ford is way back.

So Ogier, Tänak, Evans, Østberg and Suninen are superior drivers to make all those stage wins and podiums?

**AMSS** · 6th October 2017, 08:44

Originally Posted by jparker

It depends what are you looking for. Car can be fast, reliable, or both. In terms of reliability, Ford started bad, but got it sorted and the end result is visible.
But in terms of speed and handling (Citroent excepted) , Ford is way back.

Are you really serious?? Please inform us others where Ford/M-sport has been is way back in terms of speed before Catalunya?