New R4 Car - Think Tank

[mArvAlcao17]

Hi Marv,

By your calculations the tax is not 120% but 20%. Is that tax (20%) additional to the VAT?

I found from Wikipedia that the VAT in Indonesia is 10%. Here in Finland it’s 24%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax

Is it the same tax problem with AP4 cars?

Yeah, i'm wrong, but here is the correct one:

import duty 50%
VAT 10%
Pajak Penjualan Atas Barang Mewah (PPnBM), or Sales Tax on Luxury Goods 20%
Income tax 7.5%

So, let me count again:

Skoda Fabia R5 price in Rupiah is Rp 3.501.870.024 . From this chart (http://repository.beacukai.go.id/fot...-kendaraan.png), this car's price are being calculated with 42.33%, so:

3.501.870.024x42.33 = 1.482.341.581 Rupiahs. This is the Custom Value.

Then, i count the import duty, which is Custom Value x 50%:
1.482.341.581x50% = 741.170.791 Rupiahs.

The import value is customs value+import duty, so:
1.482.341.581+741.170.791= 2.223.512.372 Rupiahs

Then, the import VAT, which is import value x 10%:
2.223.512.372x10% = 222.351.237 Rupiahs

Now, Sales Tax on Luxury Goods, which is import value x 20%:
2.223.512.372x20% = 444.702.474 Rupiahs

The last is income tax, which is import value x 7.5%:
2.223.512.372x7.5% = 166.763.427 Rupiahs.

So, all of them counts:
Import Duty: 741.170.791
import VAT: 222.351.237
Sales Tax on Luxury Goods: 444.702.474
Income Tax: 166.763.427
= 1.574.987.929

So, The price+tax: 3.344.953.073+1.574.987.929 = 4.919.941.002 Rupiahs, almost 5 billions or 310267.52 euro, MUCH more expensive than i count before.

Not sure about AP4.

[mArvAlcao17]

Ah yeah, the source are here: http://www.beacukai.go.id/berita/beg...rnasional.html

However, when i re-ask my friend about 120% tax, he still insist that, adding that goverment doesn't wanna tell the public

[mArvAlcao17]

I don't think it has to be a new one. Specific regulations for cars with R4 kit http://www.fia.com/file/58633/downlo...token=mPk3dYbt

Yeah I did the calculations wrong. Previously i sent a reply which explain the new calculations based from here: http://www.beacukai.go.id/berita/beg...rnasional.html

But somehow it wasn't sent (i realized i forgot to turn off VPN), but from what i count based from that link, the final price of 221.000 euro Fabia R5 + tax are 310.000 euro, or almost 5 billions Rupiah, MUCH more expensive than i count before.

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Firstly, let me introduce myself.

My name is Marv, and i'm a rally enthusiast and freelance journalist. In my Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/indonesianrallyfanbase/) I post quite a lot about the R4 because rallying at here is currently suffering, which one of the causes is lack of exciting cars on 4WD category, currently only fielding old Group N cars.

No people buy and run R5's at national championship because:
1. As the quote above said, the import tax is very expensive, which is 120%.

2. To made things worse, Indonesia goverment banned people from import used cars. Rally cars must run thru public roads on road section.

3. So, for example a new Skoda Fabia R5 price is (what i found from internet) €221,000. And with 120% tax = €265,200, which if converted into Rupiah means 4,2 billion, which is far too much.

4. Lack of manufacturers which build R5. From 9 manufacturers (both factory & privateer), there are only Hyundai, Peugeot, Proton and Mitsubishi whose sold their road cars in Indonesia (Ford withdrew last year). And all of them are quite inferior compared to Toyota & Honda, especially Peugeot & proton. That also means it's difficult to import spare parts.

There are no Mirage R5 at here, which the road car is quite popular on Indonesian road.

I, and many other people at here, is hopeful about R4 because we can build cars from stuff at here (Etios for example, which at here named Etios Valco). We know the complete car are still expensive, for example:

R4 kit + 120% tax (don't know the exact percentage): 108.000+22.000=130.000 euros
Brand new/used Toyota Etios Valco (at here Toyota's re-sell price are strong): 9500 euros
Manufacturing & development price: 6400 euros

So, the total=145.900 euros, or let say it 150.000 euros, which is 2.4 billions if converted to Rupiahs. That's quite a half fron R5 car completed with tax.

And there are some cars which cost even less than Etios Valco, like Honda Brio, which costs 7300 euros, or Datsun Go.

My calculations could be wrong though, but we try to save money as much as possible, and for us R4 is perfect. I admit that Oreca can cut something unimportant/too expensive to make it cheaper.

Make Indonesian rally great again..!!

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[dimviii]

Oreca‏*@Oreca
First run at home for our R4 today! Next step -> gravel! #R4Rally

[br21]

Today it was just a rollout on the track next to factory. So not much to say, but noise of the car is really ok.:-)

[racerx1979]

[QUOTE=Jarek Z;1156027]I think it shouldn't be a problem. Some Dytko cars have been competing in New Zealand for a long time.
http://nzrallychamps.co.nz/nzrc-driv...nnon-chambers/
http://nzrallychamps.co.nz/race-agai...iting-new-car/

Here's Shannon Chambers and his Dytko Polo Proto:

I know it's not an issue in NZ, but registration of the cars in Australia is a bit more complicated. Still trying to sort things out, but I'm sure it can be done.

[mArvAlcao17]

Oreca‏*@Oreca
First run at home for our R4 today! Next step -> gravel! #R4Rally

it would be nice if R4 cars run without rear wing

[Munkvy]

Dykto cars in NZ haven't exactly been competitive or reliable. Whether that is driver and/or team that is preparing them I don't know. But they have so far been consistently beaten by Evos and WRXs, let alone the AP4s. Although the 36mm restrictor and E85 fuel probably helps the Evos and WRXs, along with our roads.

[dimviii]

Sarrazin at gravel
https://twitter.com/RallyingUK/statu...65650501541888