WRC Testing

**Rally Power** · 21st December 2016, 12:40

Originally Posted by Doon

In a direct comparison with a 2016 car, the 2017 car appears slower to me because they are more stable. They are louder than the 2016 cars which help to give a sense of speed, but I'm still convinced that they are less exciting to watch.

You’ve got to use the

icon Doon, otherwise we’ll think you’re talking seriously…

**Doon** · 21st December 2016, 12:48

Originally Posted by Rally Power

You’ve got to use the

icon Doon, otherwise we’ll think you’re talking seriously…

I am being serious. They don't appear to be affected by the conditions of the road, undulations etc and seem to have far more grip. I'm not doubting that they will be faster, they just don't appear to be on such a knife edge as the 2016 car.

**Doon** · 21st December 2016, 12:51

Originally Posted by SlowSon

Say no more.

Why? Please enlighten me as to why you had to waste a post trying to belittle me with a picture from a child's film?

**macebig** · 21st December 2016, 12:52

He is right.17 cars have larger tyres,better aero,are wider and longer than the 16 ones.Possibly suspension work has improved also.They absolutely must be more stable and less twitchy than the previous gen.

**Rally Power** · 21st December 2016, 13:05

Originally Posted by macebig

He is right.17 cars have larger tyres,better aero,are wider and longer than the 16 ones.Possibly suspension work has improved also.They absolutely must be more stable and less twitchy than the previous gen.

With the huge extra power 36mm restrictor will give them, they'll go sideways no matter what. Btw, how larger tyres will be?

**Doon** · 21st December 2016, 13:08

Originally Posted by Rally Power

With the huge extra power 36mm restrictor will give them, they'll go sideways no matter what. Btw, how larger tyres will be?

Power does not necessarily make cars more sideways, especially when they have active diffs which can be adjusted to keep the car as straight/fast as possible.

**Mirek** · 21st December 2016, 13:22

Originally Posted by macebig

He is right.17 cars have larger tyres,better aero,are wider and longer than the 16 ones.Possibly suspension work has improved also.They absolutely must be more stable and less twitchy than the previous gen.

Larger tyres? Have I missed something?

Originally Posted by Rally Power

With the huge extra power 36mm restrictor will give them, they'll go sideways no matter what. Btw, how larger tyres will be?

Huge? What is huge about 400 Hp? The torque is unchanged compared to 2016 cars (still way less than 2009 cars), there is active center diff, larger track, much more effective aero. The main reason why the new cars must go less sideways is that they don't suffer from natural understeering like 2016 cars do (thanks to no center diff), also the aerodynamic downforce greatly improves cornering speed, ie. reduces the need for power slide in corner.

Originally Posted by Rally Power

And my 'educated guess' about ’17 cars gain of speed over the current WRC’s: 1,5s/km.

That's way too much.

**electroliquid** · 21st December 2016, 13:32

Originally Posted by Rally Power

And my 'educated guess' about ’17 cars gain of speed over the current WRC’s: 1,5s/km.

It should be less than WRC16 vs. R5

**Rally Power** · 21st December 2016, 13:36

Originally Posted by Mirek

Huge? What is huge about 400 Hp? The torque is unchanged compared to 2016 cars, there is active center diff, larger track, much more effective aero. The main reason why the new cars must go less sideways is that they don't suffer from natural understeering like 2016 cars do (thanks to no center diff), also the aerodynamic downforce greatly improves cornering speed, ie. reduces the need for power slide in corner.

You've been saying that since day 1, still the testing (videos+drivers remarks) have proved otherwise.