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    So soon electric autodriven cars in WRX, lead by VW. New times new motorsports. Bah...
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    The marketing exposure may not be much worse. In WRC they had only 13 events with 3 cars, usually one of them in superrally. Budget: over 50 mil. euro.
    By 2019 they will have participating and of course winning cars every week in local championships all around Europe. And it will be directly profitable. So the Germans took a sensible move and that's why they are so rich and become even richer - they optimised the finances and kicked the leeches linked with Capito (it's not just the green-eco lobbies who ruined the WRC project as some of you wrote). Arrogant frenchies on the other hand will always decide to spend their last money for making some impression and look where they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowSon View Post
    So the Germans took a sensible move and that's why they are so rich and become even richer - they optimised the finances and kicked the leeches linked with Capito (it's not just the green-eco lobbies who ruined the WRC project as some of you wrote). Arrogant frenchies on the other hand will always decide to spend their last money for making some impression and look where they are.
    Actually you’re forgetting the japanese, who already defeat the germans on global market and are quite ahead of them on the e motion business, despite keeping a massive presence in almost every forms of motorsport…that’s what you get when you’ve a notorious Petrolhead leading a car company. Well done Toyoda!

    Honestly I can’t see the point of praising a bunch of boring economists and accountants that took over Europe’s larger automotive group in order to run it like a grocery. Even washing machines industry executives are more creative and brave than current VW board members.

    To the hell with those guys…Rally goes on and ’17 still looks to be the start of another fantastic WRC era!
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    Toyota has big number of sales because of the cheap units sold in the third (fifth) world. Not because of their investments in motorsports. I do not actually praise VW decision makers, just saying that they have their good reason to do it. Your behaviour - to hate someone for not doing what you want - is childish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Honestly I can’t see the point of praising a bunch of boring economists and accountants that took over Europe’s larger automotive group in order to run it like a grocery. Even washing machines industry executives are more creative and brave than current VW board members.
    That's Porsche family, You know...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowSon View Post
    Toyota has big number of sales because of the cheap units sold in the third (fifth) world. Not because of their investments in motorsports. I do not actually praise VW decision makers, just saying that they have their good reason to do it. Your behaviour - to hate someone for not doing what you want - is childish.
    It’s not a question of not having them doing what I want; it’s a question of seeing the sport I love being disrespected by the way VW is leaving WRC.

    I don’t forget that the same board members that yesterday announced VW pull out were only a few months ago praising devoted rally fans and mentioning how perfectly WRC fulfilled VW’s expectations: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123183

    So, is it childish not to find normal that from night to day WRC no longer suits VW and fans are easily discarded, not to mention their own Motorsport staff and many other VW partners around the rally world? Honestly mate, I prefer to look childish and speak up my founded anger than to appear mature and quietly accept such an outrageous behavior.


    Btw, from a long time Toyota leads the US car market, until recently the most powerful market of the world, beating American manus on their own backyard. VW never succeed in the US and has even managed to get totally humiliated by another of their ‘sensible moves’...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    That's Porsche family, You know...
    The decision was taken by the management board, not by the supervisory board. Most likely the Porsche’s had no intervention on this.
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    Braunschweig public prosecutors office: 1400 investors have so far sued Volkswagen for damages and are demanding total 8.2 billion Euros...

    BILDamSONNTAG reports latest defeat device discovered by CARB (California) in Audi models was also fitted to (unspecified) diesels sold in Europe.
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    Nice to see that Motorsport Monday also shares a “childish” view on VW’s pull out…they call it pusillanimous!
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    More info on the rally section (page27).
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