Deutschland rally 2016

[Franky]

The tractors in Finland were a totally different matter and the perfect illustration of a brainless rally innovation: chicanes are supposed to make stages safer, not more dangerous.

I'll use a different analogy then. You wouldn't mind hitting a very young tree (minimal damage to the car), if there was a chance you could go faster at that turn. But would you have the same approach to the corner if that tree was much older and stronger?

[Rally Power]

And Valtra did put some amount of money in the event. So ... ?

…no matters what, it still was an avoidable risk!

Btw, what could be next?...

[danon]

safety to some - danger to another

tank stopper - car killer >>> https://youtu.be/9GVZPQpTVJ8

[Mintexmemory]

It's sooooo I don't know what to try and counter any non-competitor when THEY start getting not just interested but in a lather about anything conceivably related to the general idea of safety!!!!!!

I spent a couple decades not slamming some poncy cars with incredible cages into things---I was busy slamming my body into things....Odd thing is that I was never asked if I needed warning not to hit all the various BIG rocks or rock walls or big trees sometimes just quite literally 3-4 inches away from the handle bars or footpegs...

I have this vision of the Safety Screamers thinking perhaps we should walk slowly thru every meter of every SS and somebody---and a priest with some boys with the smoking urns following saying " (Mumble mumble, some indistinct Latin) "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...." "Protect us from THIS tree---don't hit it...."
"Protect us from THIS house---don't hit it...."
"Protect us from THIS rock---don't hit it...."

Some crazy slow procession of the sinners..

I wish maybe somebody would have maybe occasionally reminded by not to hit the ground so often--especially with my poor head.

But oddly, once I started doing Stage rally, without anybody ever mentioning it, I never hit any of the huge trucks or road graders or water trucks or other big nasty bright yellow equipment the logging companies around here leave out in the woods...And oddly I didn't hit other cars on transits, or trees or houses either...

Without any special warning..
I wonder if I'm a genius or

maybe warnings and worry at some point are absurdities...because they are so fawkin obvious to anybody actually doing this sport IF they have an few ounces of brains.


(I did hit the ground with the roof a couple of times, still working on that)

Constant blows to the head? mmmm... that explains a lot!

[N.O.T]

safety to some - danger to another

tank stopper - car killer >>> https://youtu.be/9GVZPQpTVJ8

And the darwin award goes to...

Of course i would not expect better from a person that visits a WRC event to take "pro" artistic pictures of hairpins.

Useless masterless dogs with no use to society

[chris_bakelas]

A small onboard video from Suarez.
Nice onboard cam.


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[itix]

All this hp vs safety debate is ignoring the fact that the increase in power is expected around 20%. That will not result in a 20% speed increase...

The place where Lefebvre crashed they are probably going to do 175 km/h rather than 165 km/h... If even that because they will likely have to brake/lift before the corner next year.

We won't see cars go insane speeds next year... Probably maximum 10% increase at the end of the straights.

Roll cage safety has massively increased since the day of group b, we have flexible fuel tanks, strengthening triangles everywhere, hans devices, six point harnesses (or 5, can't remember right now). The biggest issue is impact from the sides still, like what Michael Park died from... And that's an issue regardless of speed. If you go sideways into a tree with your road car at 70 you are likely to get killed too.

The slight increase in power and control in corners is not the difference between life and death in a crash.

Putting tires on the Hinkelsteins is not going to help either as that would just act as a ramp to propel the car into the forest.

What they should do is look at good natural ways to keep the speed down in dangerous high speed areas. Not another hay bale chicane but some neater solution.

[Mirek]

All this hp vs safety debate is ignoring the fact that the increase in power is expected around 20%. That will not result in a 20% speed increase...

The place where Lefebvre crashed they are probably going to do 175 km/h rather than 165 km/h... If even that because they will likely have to brake/lift before the corner next year.

We won't see cars go insane speeds next year... Probably maximum 10% increase at the end of the straights.

They won't go much faster on straights (also thanks to higher drag). They will go reasonably faster through corners. That is obviously more important for crash situation that the speed on straights which isn't that important in my opinion.

[itix]

The severity of a crash is determined by how fast the object at speed (driver and car) is halted, and we are not talking a 50% speed increase in the corners here. Probably maximum 10% if even that. Wk=mv²/ 2 gives an increase in kinetic energy of 21% if the increased speed is 10%. This is not what determine life or death in a crash situation.

Also with R2-power and WRC safety you could kill someone in a sideways impact in finland towards a tree... or say that the same car in a high speed event hits a rock on the inside of the corner and it throws the car on it's side into a tree, just so that it hits the windshield.
I can guarantee that will be bye bye both driver and codriver considering how much damage there was to that area of Camili's car in Monte this year from a relatively low speed impact.

The increased speed is not what will make or break the safety situation.

[tommeke_B]

Actually for side-impact the cars will be safer. According to Sven Smeets (in an interview with autonews magazine), inside the new cars there's more space between the seats of the drivers and the doors.