[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

[dimviii]

Your math is wrong. Road position is not I was writing for. It is the championship value 2001-2016 to make such comparisons in this article.

comparison between value of championships? are you kidding?

[stefanvv]

comparison between value of championships? are you kidding?

no. wrc.com is.

[dimviii]

no. wrc.com is.

i dont see any comparison for these years vs last years at the article.

[stefanvv]

[Mk2 RS2000]

Here is a suggestion which is based on the New Zealand Rally Championship start order

Leg One: Drivers will be seeded by:

(1) At Round 1 (Rallye Monte Carlo) only, the first five (5) start order positions will be reserved for competitors placed in the first five (5) of the previous years Championship and will be seeded on merit. These first five (5) competitors will select their road position:
(a) The highest seeded Driver shall select a start order first from the five (5) positions available, then
(b) The next highest seeded Driver shall select a start order from the remaining available positions, and so in descending order until the five (5) positions are selected.

(2) At subsequent Rounds, the start order shall be determined at the Pre-Start ceremony as follows:
(a) The first five (5) start order positions shall be made up of the five (5) competitors ranked highest in the Championship at the start of each Round. These first five (5) competitors will select their road position:
(i) The highest ranked Driver shall select a start order first from the five (5) positions available, then
(ii) The next highest ranked Driver shall select a start order from the remaining available positions, and so on in descending order until the five (5) positions are selected.
(b) The remainder of the field shall then be seeded as a group on merit.

For subsequent Legs of all rounds: Drivers will be seeded by:

(3) The highest placed competitor in the event will be seeded first on the road followed by the remainder of the field seeded based on their results from the previous Leg/s.


The alternative would be to reverse seed the WRC field for the subsequent legs but that would have to be consistent for both gravel and tarmac events

[er88]

Really don't see why they are making it such a big drama about the running order rules. Simplest and easiest way is to just run the championship leader as the 1st car on the first day of events. Then reverse order for day 2 and that pathetic excuse of a 3rd "day".

With the way rallies are nowadays that means the championship leader is only at a huge disadvantage for basically 3 or 4 full stages before the 2nd pass in the afternoon (although I accept the lines will be a bit off considering all the lesser cars/drivers passing through too).

The fairest way is the qualifying like we had a few years ago, but I didn't really feel like that had much place in the sport. Just a personal opinion due to the fact that since I've followed the WRC in the last 15yrs or so, the championship leader has mostly been the first car off the start line.

Hate the current rules.

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[GravelBen]

In My opinion solution is very simple: Championship order first day and reverse top15 for following 2 days....this will give small disadvantage to the leader of the champ without preclude him possibility to fight for the win; more will give also more interest to Live stages on tv of saturday that will have already reverse order (same for us following split times in live) and same on sunday.
I don't see really bad points using this system....i don't understand as their don't do it. If i'm blind and in real you guys see some bad points in my proposal...i'm open to discuss

Reverse order always seems a bit illogical to me - in a point-to-point race with cars starting together the car leading the event would always be the first on the road. Reversing the running order with the intention of giving the leading cars more of an advantage than they already have (on some dry gravel rallies) seems quite contrived. I'm not sure why you think it would add interest to live stages?

I can see the sense in only running Championship order for day 1, but I'd prefer they use rally leaderboard order for the rest of the event instead of playing reverse order games.

Qualifying stages have some merit, but as far as I remember they always used very short stages for qualifying, which can give an advantage to some drivers who are better at short stages over drivers who do better on longer stages.

Of course there is also the point that whatever road position is an advantage on loose dry gravel is a disadvantage on wet tarmac with mud being dragged onto the road, or where there is hanging dust, or roads getting more rough and rocky with each car...

[N.O.T]

kids can you please stop crying and grow a pair ?

the rules are the same for everyone even if they are not fair they apply to everyone.

[RAS007]

Push from FIA to have the championship leader running in front for three days?!

Well, as they say: That escalated quickly

Ogier is the benchmark, it would be very sad if he decided to quit.
And as I have written earlier, in this case Capito acts as a hand puppet for Ogier, and I am quite sure that the moment Ogier understands that he has no chance of beating all of Loebs records, there is a big chance of him quitting.
He basically has nothing left to prove except that. And I also fully understand his frustration on the two-day-sweeping rule. All tough he still will be champion, he is in it to win it - and by that I mean EVERY rally - and he doesnt see that that very same rule is the same advantage on tarmac, as it is a disadvantage on gravel. Because he doesnt need an advantage on tarmac to win, but he needs a lesser disadvantage on gravel.
But, no matter how it turns out, 2017 will still be an incredible rally season!

He could always try, gasp!, switching to another team, try winning in another car. That used to be a thing.

[Simmi]

Day 1: Championship order (no brainer)
Day 2: Rally order (let's try for a season and see how they work this out with no split times)
Day 3: Reverse top 10/15 order (TV-focused throwaway leg/who cares)

Anyone with an amazing road position and speed on day one gets penalised on day two. Anyone who gets banged with road sweeping on day one should have a better position on day two. In theory it should even out. Then reverse order gives a level playing field if we get a final day shoot-out. You also don't need a degree in mathematics to understand it.