Rally Portugal 2016

[stefanvv]

Care to elaborate?

I can elaborate. You emphasize on numbers, but when Ogier makes them it is bad, when others are doing them it is good. I can't see the simple logic behind this.

[danon]

[Rally Power]

Somehow I've miss the Yaris on the jump...

[Munkvy]

What I don't get is how Capito thinks that the general public will know the difference between Meeke and Ogier as far as championship standing or how many rounds they are doing. They won't be looking in depth at the championship, just watching highlights on TV or reading articles in media/social media.

So unless the promoter promotes it, no one will know other than people who are serious fans. And the serious fans know the other side - the disadvantages Meeke has to contend with, such as an old car that is no longer being developed, being run by a team who aren't even focused on the WRC this year and of course the lack of seat time competing.

This definitely smacks of the same approach VW had with the emissions scandal, they didn't care about consequences to anyone else, they were only focused on their own sales. And in the WRC they don't seem to consider the wider impact they might have on the sport as others have alluded to. Very selfish really.

[AndyRAC]

I saw a tweet, one of many basically saying the same thing; " the general public don't care, or know about WRC" so his point is irrelevant.

[Lundefaret]

I personally would like a system that is the most fair and balanced with in the spirit of rallying, and for me I think the 2014 system is the solution, but would off course be interested in other views as well (qualifying etc I personally dont think is part of rallying.)

But if we take Ogier, and his starting order campaign, which I in many ways understand, his arguments are heavily biased, and very subjective, and the only basis is whats best for him, in his efforts to beat Loebs records.
He doesn't care about the sport, he doesn't care about the fans, and he doesnt even care about his own team members, which all is perfectly fine for an athlete, but means that the whole sport cant be governed from his arguments.

In preperations to Rally Argentina, I watched "a little" photage of the rally from 2015, both onboards and outbards, and though we know this already, there is no doubt about the fact that Ogier cuts to make life harder for the guys behind. Ok, thats also understandable, he is out to win. But should there be no end to ruthlessness on the way to winning? Should everything be allowed and accepted?
A question that the Volkswagen team should ask them self internally, is that if its wise in the long term to base their opinions on a person that is by cutting - and so throwing big rocks out on the road - trying to end the rally for the guy coming next, even if that is his own team mate.

From Ogiers perspective I have no problem understanding this, he is out to win, so he thinks mostly about him self. Ok. But Volkswagen is on a bigger mission, not only catering for Ogiers records, but by representing a brand, and its brands values.
Capitos statement seems based more on the fear of losing Ogier out of the team, or out of rallying as a whole, than a general strategy.

Ogiers weakest link as a driver is rough stages and events. He likes roads to be smooth, and he have said so many times. So he doesnt really care about starting position on tarmac, because he believes he can win from any starting position there, but it is the rough rallies that stand in his way.

I agree with those that say that we could revert to 2014 rules, or if somebody comes up with a better plan, but I am still surprised by Volkswagen and Capito in this matter. Effective in getting changes done it may be, but elegant it is not...

Rallying will never be fair

[seb_sh]

I can elaborate. You emphasize on numbers, but when Ogier makes them it is bad, when others are doing them it is good. I can't see the simple logic behind this.

Not exactly. It's not bad that he wants to break records it's that he complains about rules all the time just with this in mind. I never said others doing records is good, or that Loeb's dominance was good. In fact he also complained sometimes.

On the flipside I hope he gets opposition from Paddon and Meeke so that we have direct fights like in Tommi/Carlos/Colin times.

[Rallyper]

On the flipside I hope he gets opposition from Paddon and Meeke so that we have direct fights like in Tommi/Carlos/Colin times.

Tommi/Carlos/Colin/Richard times.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

To look at this from the other side... are people honestly that satisfied when someone beats Ogier when they have completely different road conditions ?

Were Paddon and Meeke's recent wins as creditable as Ogier's when he wins from the front ...

[cali]

To look at this from the other side... are people honestly that satisfied when someone beats Ogier when they have completely different road conditions ?

Were Paddon and Meeke's recent wins as creditable as Ogier's when he wins from the front ...

In rallying there's no such thing as equal road condition bcs it changes after every pass.

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