Mini didnt flop wheres the proof that it flopped? The program was pulled and im sure pro drive with all theyre years of building wrc cars would have made it a success. Shame there wasnt a mute button for u N.O.T and im sure everyone on the forum will agree with me here when i say this as it pretty much sums you up. "The man who thinks he knows everything.. Knows nothing" Your no fan of rallying. Have you ever actually been to a wrc event and experienced the atmosphere for every competitor that passes the stage. And if you complain about people standing at hairpins at rallys and other common interest places? Where do you stand if youve ever actually been roadside at stage