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    Just looking at Tanak and Evans' performance from the first 4 rallies last year and the first 3 from this year with those of Ostberg and Camilli this year:

    Tanak 2015/2016
    Monte Carlo Pos. 18/7, Sweden Pos. 4/6, Mexico Pos. 22/5, Argentina Pos. 11/??

    Evans 2015/2016
    Monte Carlo Pos. 7/8, Sweden Pos. 6/9, Mexico Pos. 4/DNS, Argentina Pos. retired/??

    Ostberg 2016
    Monte Carlo Pos. 4, Sweden Pos. 3, Mexico Pos. 3, Argentina Pos. ??

    Camilli 2016
    Monte Carlo Pos. retired, Sweden Pos. retired, Mexico Pos. 16, Argentina Pos. ??

    From this and looking at a few stage times from this year and last year, I think Wilson has made a great call in his driver lineup.

    You cannot argue with Ostbergs form - much better than either driver last year and also Mr Neuville. Tanak hasn't got any slower in fact he seems to be just as fast, blaming tyres could get a little 'tyresome' during the year as his results are much better so far this year.

    Evans also in a lesser car seems to be showing he can fight (get points in WRC) and now with a win on DMACs (albeit in a lessor category) is putting himself in a good frame. Camilli, well if you compare him to Tanak after 4 rallies, he still has a chance to do nearly as well in Argentina if he starts to move up to the points.

    I can see why Mr Wilson would be pretty happy.

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    Tänak's results are better because he has finished the rallies this year not because he is faster with dmacks. Just look at the enormous gaps he has had to rally winners. im 100% confident that he would be faster than Mads on gravel on michelins.

    And Evans was on the podium last year in argentina, you have him retired there.

    and Sordo lost his podium to Mads after penalty http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/march...6--12-12-.html
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    Yes you are right about Evans, missed that from the eWRC website.

    Wasn't Tanak's job to finish rallies last year as well?

    I guess my point about Tanak is he wasn't fighting near the top last year for the first few rallies either and that wasn't to do with the tyres.

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    Last year the first half of the season Tänak's and Wilson's plan was to get grips with WRC car again, after missing a year out and being year in a wrc2 category and to start pushing in the second half of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Again, how do You know?
    People assume Fiesta is the slowest because for years there wasn't a fast driver behind the wheel. Kubica showed that you can win stages in Fiesta even without manufacturer's backup. I am sure Ogier would win rallies in Ford.

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    Talking about QS and road position. It all comes to one word, dominance. We all were witnesses of what happens when one person dominance to much. All those Loebs years caused preety big damage to WRC. Losing factories, less and less followers. And FIA knows that they can't let anyone to dominate WRC too much, cause it is going to be same story again. Well now we have more or less VW dominance which is not perfect but still better than Ogier winning everything he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muchonen View Post
    still better than Ogier winning everything he can.
    Thats pretty good, you made it sound like he s not allready winning everything

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    Quote Originally Posted by b3637853 View Post
    People assume Fiesta is the slowest because for years there wasn't a fast driver behind the wheel. Kubica showed that you can win stages in Fiesta even without manufacturer's backup. I am sure Ogier would win rallies in Ford.
    At yesterdays powerstage the 2 in the studio, Anders grøndal and Cato menkerud (x-solberg co-driver) mention the obvious lack of power in the fiestas, compared to the vw/hyundai's.
    Menkerud didn't belived one second that it was just down to slow drivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muchonen View Post
    Talking about QS and road position. It all comes to one word, dominance. We all were witnesses of what happens when one person dominance to much. All those Loebs years caused preety big damage to WRC. Losing factories, less and less followers. And FIA knows that they can't let anyone to dominate WRC too much, cause it is going to be same story again. Well now we have more or less VW dominance which is not perfect but still better than Ogier winning everything he can.

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    You have a point. But now they've gone too far, and it is also pretty useless to create more excitement around the sport in this way, for a number of reasons:

    1) QS was a problem because it was too much in favor for the best and, most important, allowed drivers and teams to make tactics and that kind of things that are not good. So, even if it is the more fair solution, I can understand a little modification to make the championship a little more exciting. And 2014 was a pretty good compromise in my opinion. But now it is too much extreme. Don't forget that in 2014, even if Ogier's dominance and his title was not too much in question, it has been still the championship where he had more problems against Latvala.

    2) As other said, Ogier is still winning, so if they wanted to "fight dominance" and create more excitment, they failed. Badly.

    3) Seeing other drivers winning events could be good for attract a casual fan in a first phase, but if their goal is to transform him in a hardcore fan (that's the kind of fans sponsors are looking for), it will be very hard considering this guy is witnessing rallys where the best has no chance to win, or, in events like Monte, where the best is even advantaged and others have no chance. (where is the thrill? The excitment?)

    4) As said before, if this can give huge disadvantage to the first in the ranking for the gravel rallies, it gives him too much advantage in events like some asphalt rally, or even gravel if it rains.

    I think this weekend we have lost a chance to see Ogier and Latvala carrying on an exciting and fair fight. Maybe Jari Matti could have crashed, maybe Ogier could have been faster, or maybe not. Who knows? I don't like to don't know what could have happened. Don't you?
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