2016 Silly Season

[dimviii]

, and the Pirelli's didn't "pop" on the wheels at 8 bar, that could be possible.

yes plenty of times pirellis had to inflate much more from 8 bars to drive the sidewalls to the rim.

[AMSS]

Bertelli and Prokop there is no reason to talk,there are not going to use any tyre at its maximum,so i really dont care what are they saying at 2-3sec per kn slower everywhere all over the world.
Lets go to Robert at Poland.
ss 7 39,12 km
Kubica 9 sec slower from Ogier and 7,8 from Latvala when the difference between Ogier and Latvala is 9,5 sec after 7 stages.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results....jd-Polski-2015

lets go to splits

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/results/po...67-232---.html

after 39,12 km the private fiesta is 9-7,8 sec slower from the triple champion with works polo.Kubica at gravel against Ogier with polo.Can you show me where the pirelli lost its pace after 39 kms?





i didnt said that they didnt had these problems.Did i? if i did quote me please.

What was Kubicas time on he powerstage in Poland
No but correct me if I'm wrong but it has quit an impact on the final time if these things occur doesn't it. This is one of the things I count as consistency, and yes Michelin has tem as well of course but percentages counted alot less.
Estwrc is right we need to end this so lets leave it that both tire brands(well all for that matter) have their advantages an disadvantages and it's up to the customers to choose what they want to buy. Have a god evening and we can continue this sometime in another thread, or should we create a tyre discussion thread

[dimviii]

What was Kubicas time on he powerstage in Poland
No but correct me if I'm wrong but it has quit an impact on the final time if these things occur doesn't it. This is one of the things I count as consistency, and yes Michelin has tem as well of course but percentages counted alot less.

when at 39,12 km its clear that the tyre havent got any disadvantage about its pace after some 10-20-30-40km,the problem is somewhere else.
its impossible for a tyre to have excellent longevity at some stages,and at some other stages to dont.Its the same tyre.
The problem is not at the tyre.


btw Kubica at powerstage had a flat tyre.

[AMSS]

btw Kubica at powerstage had a flat tyre.[/QUOTE]
I know it hence the

[dimviii]

Anyway,that i have to say is that there is not a best tyre,sometimes a make has a advantage sometimes have disadvantage.
Dont believe whatever you hear,specially from drivers that they dont had a good rally or plenty of bad results.
Its very easy to blame the tyre,while the problem could be a combo from different reasons,or even the driver.
Pirelli are very good at motorsport tyres,specially at rallies,the sport we love.Of course sometimes Michelin have/had a better tyre,but that isnt forever.
Tyre makers make ''evos'' of tyres,that they dont give to public the info at all,and you cant find it with a mark at the tyre(thay can recognise of course),everything is the same.But when you drive the tyre is different.Only from inside info is possible to know some details.So that today Pirelli is better,maybe this will change with next evolution of michelin,or maybe not change.

[AMSS]

Anyway,that i have to say is that there is not a best tyre,sometimes a make has a advantage sometimes have disadvantage.
Dont believe whatever you hear,specially from drivers that they dont had a good rally or plenty of bad results.
Its very easy to blame the tyre,while the problem could be a combo from different reasons,or even the driver.
Pirelli are very good at motorsport tyres,specially at rallies,the sport we love.Of course sometimes Michelin have/had a better tyre,but that isnt forever.
Tyre makers make ''evos'' of tyres,that they dont give to public the info at all,and you cant find it with a mark at the tyre(thay can recognise of course),everything is the same.But when you drive the tyre is different.Only from inside info is possible to know some details.So that today Pirelli is better,maybe this will change with next evolution of michelin,or maybe not change.

Agreed!

[Lundefaret]

Anyway,that i have to say is that there is not a best tyre,sometimes a make has a advantage sometimes have disadvantage.
Dont believe whatever you hear,specially from drivers that they dont had a good rally or plenty of bad results.
Its very easy to blame the tyre,while the problem could be a combo from different reasons,or even the driver.
Pirelli are very good at motorsport tyres,specially at rallies,the sport we love.Of course sometimes Michelin have/had a better tyre,but that isnt forever.
Tyre makers make ''evos'' of tyres,that they dont give to public the info at all,and you cant find it with a mark at the tyre(thay can recognise of course),everything is the same.But when you drive the tyre is different.Only from inside info is possible to know some details.So that today Pirelli is better,maybe this will change with next evolution of michelin,or maybe not change.

Of my experience/knowledge I would say that a driver with the driving method/style of Kubica will wear his tyres faster than say Ogier. This is because he rounder of the corners more, making them longer (going for highest minimum speed vs better braking/acceleration with lower speed at apex/turning/rotation point.

This way You put both braking, sideways directional, and accelerating forces trough the tire - both at the same time, and for an extended time.
By going so fast with the style he does, he also generates higher overall forces.

When Ogier is accelerating after a corner, he very often does this in a straight line, with the car straight, very early after the corner has ended.

Kubica stretches the corner for longer. Because carrying higher speed mid corner, the weight of the car pushes him outside, so he hav to counter that with throttle and steering, just to keep him self on the road, while trying to accelerate.

Splitting up braking, turning/rotating and accelerating is the modern way of rally driving, and its much easier for the tires.

There have been numerous examples of Loeb and Ogier coming to the stage finish with the best time, and the least worn tires. If everybody drove the same way, this would not be possible. Then the one with the highest average speed, would be the one that had pushed the most energy trough the tire, and would have the most worn tire. But this is not the case, and it baffles me that the non-Ogiers dont put more effort in finding out why

To quote a famous tire maker: "Power is nothing whiteout control."

[dimviii]

Of my experience/knowledge I would say that a driver with the driving method/style of Kubica will wear his tyres faster than say Ogier. This is because he rounder of the corners more, making them longer (going for highest minimum speed vs better braking/acceleration with lower speed at apex/turning/rotation point.

i wrote it politely

its impossible for a tyre to have excellent longevity at some stages,and at some other stages to dont.Its the same tyre.
The problem is not at the tyre.

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