2016 Silly Season

[AMSS]

Yes Mirek that seems to be the case in the ERC for some reason unknown to me Michelin won't nominate the lightest tire they have(Pirelli is ~2kg lighter I've heard) and already there is a big difference in performance.
Dimwii since you seem to know better than the teams actually using Pirelli I got this information from(indirectly) than by all means let them know they are wrong��

[tommeke_B]

Are we sure "the Michelin" for a privateer is the same Michelin as a works team gets? We can even wonder if the Michelins VW gets are the same as M-Sport or Hyundai for example. On paper all tyres should be same, but it seems like the tyres are held apart already before arrival on a wrc event, and we've see plenty of michelin trucks/people on footage of WRC tests... Michelin has it's own development project with a lot of testing on every surface. It would be strange to see Michelin attend so many tests of different WRC teams when all have to use the same tyre and nothing can be modified after manufacturing (even cutting isn't allowed), but maybe I'm missing something...

[AMSS]

Are we sure "the Michelin" for a privateer is the same Michelin as a works team gets? We can even wonder if the Michelins VW gets are the same as M-Sport or Hyundai for example. On paper all tyres should be same, but it seems like the tyres are held apart already before arrival on a wrc event, and we've see plenty of michelin trucks/people on footage of WRC tests... Michelin has it's own development project with a lot of testing on every surface. It would be strange to see Michelin attend so many tests of different WRC teams when all have to use the same tyre and nothing can be modified after manufacturing (even cutting isn't allowed), but maybe I'm missing something...

All WRC tires are given to teams as lottery controlled by FIA they can't choose themselves which pile they take.... same for all brands, Dmack, Pirelli, Michelin and Hankook

[dimviii]

Yes Mirek that seems to be the case in the ERC for some reason unknown to me Michelin won't nominate the lightest tire they have(Pirelli is ~2kg lighter I've heard) and already there is a big difference in performance.

its not unknown the reason,they just cant have average reliability with 2 kg less weight.Pirelli can.

Dimwii since you seem to know better than the teams actually using Pirelli I got this information from(indirectly) than by all means let them know they are wrong��

yes they are wrong.
Catalunya ss11 26,26km
Kubica 14,36
Ogier 14,32
splits for ss11
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/results/sp...07-237---.html

at this point of rally Ogier had 11 sec difference from Latvala,so they were pushing.
Private fiesta against works polo,Ogier vs Kubica.
private fiesta with pirellis faster than works fiestas with michelins.
I cant see that pirelli looses their performance after some km.

really cant understand why you underestimate Pirellis.They are innovative,have huge history at motorsport tyres,and plenty of times had better tyres,from giant tyre makers.For 20 years michelin cant make a faster tyre at wet asphalt.Pirelli always had.
or the XR type for very raw gravel.Really bulletproof tyre.
D type for circuits faster by far.At road tyres with dot trofeo R the faster tyre you can buy.
Plenty of examples mate.

[dimviii]

Are we sure "the Michelin" for a privateer is the same Michelin as a works team gets? We can even wonder if the Michelins VW gets are the same as M-Sport or Hyundai for example. On paper all tyres should be same, but it seems like the tyres are held apart already before arrival on a wrc event, and we've see plenty of michelin trucks/people on footage of WRC tests... Michelin has it's own development project with a lot of testing on every surface. It would be strange to see Michelin attend so many tests of different WRC teams when all have to use the same tyre and nothing can be modified after manufacturing (even cutting isn't allowed), but maybe I'm missing something...

as AMSS wrote they get them by lottery.
At gr A era yes they had build specific tyres for a team.

[AMSS]

But please Dimvii contact Prokop, Kubica and Bertellis teams and tell them they are wrong than, and dig up Kubicas after stage interview from Poland where he openly admitted what I've been trying to say.
Also they had problems this year with several tyres coming off the rims for no apparent reason didn't they?
In NORF in the service area it was very close that all Pirelli drivers would be prohibited from entering since the tyres exploded when fitting on the rims at about 8 bars call the FIA and ask if you don't believe me!
I agree that Pirelli is a fast tyre but that is as consistent as Michelin I do not.

[tommeke_B]

@AMSS, @dimviii, you are right with the lottery. So officially it's not possible to have a different compound if everything is done right.

@AMSS, the 8bars is bullshit. That's the maximum (not minimum) pressure FIA allows for getting the tyre to "pop" on the rims. The pressure used to be higher. For tarmac tyres I know some drivers are actually complaining that the sides of the tyres can't be made as strong anymore, so the tyre is "living" much more in the corners. Maybe you didn't hear right, and the Pirelli's didn't "pop" on the wheels at 8 bar, that could be possible.

[AMSS]

Yes you are of course right it's 8bars maximum. I wasn't next to the gauge so couldn't see at what pressure the tyres actually exploded at but it was before they popped on the rim, bu the explosions were so severe that it broke the mandatory pressure cage they were in. And I can tell you it made a massive sound!!

[EstWRC]

isnt this tire story out of topic?

[dimviii]

But please Dimvii contact Prokop, Kubica and Bertellis teams and tell them they are wrong than, and dig up Kubicas after stage interview from Poland where he openly admitted what I've been trying to say.

Bertelli and Prokop there is no reason to talk,there are not going to use any tyre at its maximum,so i really dont care what are they saying at 2-3sec per kn slower everywhere all over the world.
Lets go to Robert at Poland.
ss 7 39,12 km
Kubica 9 sec slower from Ogier and 7,8 from Latvala when the difference between Ogier and Latvala is 9,5 sec after 7 stages.
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results....jd-Polski-2015

lets go to splits

http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/results/po...67-232---.html

after 39,12 km the private fiesta is 9-7,8 sec slower from the triple champion with works polo.Kubica at gravel against Ogier with polo.Can you show me where the pirelli lost its pace after 39 kms?

Also the problems they had this year with several tyres coming off the rims for no apparent reason doesn't exist in your world does it?
In NORF in the service area it was very close that all Pirelli drivers would be prohibited from entering since the tyres exploded when fitting on the rims at about 8 bars call the FIA and ask if you don't believe me!
I agree that Pirelli is a fast tyre but that is as consistent as Michelin I do not.

i didnt said that they didnt had these problems.Did i? if i did quote me please.