Where does Nico Rosberg go from here?

[Big Ben]

My dispute was the way you are demonising a drivers comments simply because you don't like him. It's total bollocks.

Whatever You put such a spin on things I don't see the point of continuing arguing with you.

[Nitrodaze]

What a lively tread this is. Peace and love people.

[henners88]

Whatever You put such a spin on things I don't see the point of continuing arguing with you.

All the best.

[AndyL]

Nico could have just as easily questioned the team orders and said he wanted to stay out. He didn't and chose to come in. Lewis did question it and if he won because of it, it would have been deserving because that is part of racing.

I remember Button refusing a McLaren order to come into the pits in China 2010. People called it a master stroke by Button because it won him the race. I wonder how many of those people are here criticising Hamilton for not refusing but simply questioning orders he was given.

What a spiteful soul Jenson is then

Certainly either driver could have ignored the instructions, and no doubt the debate about that would have been even more heated But that's quite different to saying the instructions themselves were biased or an attempt to change the race result.

I think it's just as well that both drivers did obey the orders. If either had refused, it would have left the Mercedes team in a difficult position. At the very least it would prevent them ever making such a precautionary stop again, with both drivers assuming the other would disobey the instructions.

[The Black Knight]

Certainly either driver could have ignored the instructions, and no doubt the debate about that would have been even more heated But that's quite different to saying the instructions themselves were biased or an attempt to change the race result.

I think it's just as well that both drivers did obey the orders. If either had refused, it would have left the Mercedes team in a difficult position. At the very least it would prevent them ever making such a precautionary stop again, with both drivers assuming the other would disobey the instructions.

Well, there is two sides of the coin here. The first is now that the championship is over, why not allow them race? Mercedes should, I think, certainly allow them do this for Brazil and Abu Dhabi. They have nothing to lose by doing this and then come March next year they can once again go back to the previous scenario they had.

On the other hand, from a team perspective this is the way they wanted to play it. I see where both Hamilton and Mercedes are coming from and I can also see how from Hamilton's perspective it can be seen as a move by the team to keep Rosberg happy.

What should have happened before Mexico is the team should have sat down with both drivers and said the shackles are off now so go race guys. If you want to do a different strategy for the next 3 races to each other than feel free to do this and we'll back you as long as it doesn't compromise the best team result. Make it clear that this freedom only lasts until the end of season as well. However, since they didn't do this, had Hamilton not pitted Nico would have been quite rightly mighty pissed off. Maybe they'll do it for Brazil and AD In the end, it's a whole load of noise over nothing as Hamilton did actually pit.

The point I'm making in my above post is that there have been many examples of drivers ignoring team orders where they weren't criticized but rather commended but when Hamilton so much as questions a team order he's spiteful. I'm glad to see him doing this however, as it was one area of his game he really needed to lift.

[The Black Knight]

A good vid to illustrate the point , I must say .
Thanks for posting that .

The pass attempt into the corner was a dive , to be sure , but Nico , better sighted on the exit , being on the inside , should have seen him coming .
Had he left that little bit more space , he already had the overspeed to keep the position , but he attempted to close the door too early .

He didn't slide into the spot .


Now , from the other side , yes Dan hit his rear tire , showing Nico to be ahead , but that was because of the difference in speed between them because he had locked and gone straight in the corner .
When Nico ran into his path , he was going straight , accelerating to get out first .
And , technically , he was ahead , only moments before .


So , for me , the verdict is that Rosberg deserved a penalty there , and perhaps avoided it with a flat .

Well, once Nico was ahead of Dan, Dan should have realized the move was over and he couldn't win this one. Going flat out and driving into your opponent is the wrong thing to do. Between the point where Nico got ahead and Dan hit him, there was only one person that could have prevented that accident from happening and that was Danny. That's why I believe it is his fault, he could have momentarily lifted to avoid the contact.

[Bagwan]

Well, once Nico was ahead of Dan, Dan should have realized the move was over and he couldn't win this one. Going flat out and driving into your opponent is the wrong thing to do. Between the point where Nico got ahead and Dan hit him, there was only one person that could have prevented that accident from happening and that was Danny. That's why I believe it is his fault, he could have momentarily lifted to avoid the contact.

It was a split second adjustment that Nico might have made , that wouldn't have put him into that lane until just a moment later , and all would have been fine , because he had the overspeed .
It looked to me that it was what Dan expected by that point , and , I guess it could be described as a few inches of mistake , to not lift .
But , he was on the edge of the track , travelling straight , and both could see each other clearly .

Nico took his lane before he was past , and thus , had not left enough space .
He only got it a few inches wrong , but sometimes that's all it takes .

[The Black Knight]

It was a split second adjustment that Nico might have made , that wouldn't have put him into that lane until just a moment later , and all would have been fine , because he had the overspeed .
It looked to me that it was what Dan expected by that point , and , I guess it could be described as a few inches of mistake , to not lift .
But , he was on the edge of the track , travelling straight , and both could see each other clearly .

Nico took his lane before he was past , and thus , had not left enough space .
He only got it a few inches wrong , but sometimes that's all it takes .

Well this is the great thing about F1 having differing opinions but to me, Nico had legitimately retaken the position at that point. He was clearly ahead and Dan should have backed off to avoid contact.

It's probably something we're not going to agree on but there have been many examples of similar moves like what Nico did in the past which haven't ended up like this. This one shouldn't have either and it was a bit of a brain fart by Danny.

[Bagwan]

Well this is the great thing about F1 having differing opinions but to me, Nico had legitimately retaken the position at that point. He was clearly ahead and Dan should have backed off to avoid contact.

It's probably something we're not going to agree on but there have been many examples of similar moves like what Nico did in the past which haven't ended up like this. This one shouldn't have either and it was a bit of a brain fart by Danny.

I guess it's why stewarding decisions can be so difficult .
There are always two sides .

Again , it was a great vid to illustrate that , to be sure .
I can certainly see your point .


It's close ones like that which may help us be able to get to the bottom of this .
It comes down to that space thing again .

If you're really there first , then you should be able to take it , but if you know that there's car car in close proximity you should leave yourself enough grip to at least be able to give the other guy room if he gets there with you .
If you slide through on the attempt , like Dan did at first , when he was fully inside , then it's fair game .

But , on the exit , it was Nico who misjudged how close Dan was , and moved into his path too early .

It's that space thing . You need to leave enough . It's what they told Kimi .


Sorry for arguing the point again .
We need not agree .

[driveace]

And if the Pit crew had a problem changing the tyres on Rosbergs car and been 12 seconds and not 2.8 or so Lewis would still have won pit stop or not.Not long ago Mercedes pitted Lewis when he was supposed to have time for an unplanned pit stop.Hamilton pits,and Rosberg passes,Hamilton says to the team I have just lost the race havnt I .They had to admit their mistake lost him the race