New R4 Car - Think Tank

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

Yep. Because AP4 regs are based in Argentina's Maxi Rally, MR cars are allowed. Pedder's 208 came from Baratec and uses the 1.6T new engine.

So, AP4 is basically a crossover between MR & R5..? (with six speed gearbox)
And what about Activ Rallysport i20 Proto from Poland, is it also the AP4.?

R-GT is different I think.
Their could be a market for R2 cars for example. You can see some local production in South Africa / Namibia or India.

Some countries in Asia are doing great with their regulation. For example in China, you have various manufacturers homologating cars in group S. In Argentina, Australia, NZ you have some new regulations, because FIA cars are difficult to get, or cost too much.
If you allow free R2 f.e. (I mean not only the manufacturers approved one), maybe some countries would choose to use this.

You could have new cars on forgotten markets (look the situation in Asia now, and what it was 20 years ago), or even some private team in Europe doing it.

BTW, where I can find the example of Chinese Group S rally cars beside Prodrive Golf..?

[sollitt]

AP4 hardly could be described as a clean sheet exercise as it's clearly based in MaxiRally and R5 regs.

I can assure you that it was absolutely a 'clean sheet' exercise but as with any well considered change of direction the brief was wide ranging. The AP4 regs were the work of a team in New Zealand. At the time there were 2 Maxi Cars under construction in NZ and representatives of these teams were involved in initial meetings and it would be fair to say they had some influence in ensuring those cars were included. But that's quite different from the rules being "based on Maxi rules" (as per your earlier statement). They were not.
Neither were they "based on R5 regulations" however logic determined that there would be a high level of similarity.

[sollitt]

So, AP4 is basically a crossover between MR & R5..?

Once again, not correct.

And what about Activ Rallysport i20 Proto from Poland, is it also the AP4.?

No, Proto cars from Poland are not AP4 compliant.

[br21]

BTW, where I can find the example of Chinese Group S rally cars beside Prodrive Golf..?

For sure there is Fabia in S2000 body and WRC engine driving in Chinese champs

[vino_93]

BTW, where I can find the example of Chinese Group S rally cars beside Prodrive Golf..?

S6 (4WD)
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (maybe it's the same than the old Subaru USA ? Not sure)
Skoda Fabia III
Skoda Fabia II + Skoda Fabia S2000 with 1.6T engine
BAIC-Saab D50
BAIC E150
Soueast V6
Soueast Mitsubishi Lancer EX
Soueast Lancer Evo X

S5 :
FAW Skoda Octavia
FAW Volkswagen Golf

S4 :
Chery A3
Dongfeng Citroën C2
Dongfeng DS3
Dongfeng Honda Civic
FAW Volkswagen Golf
GAC Toyota Yaris

S3 :
Baojun 630
Changan Ford Focus
Changan Suzuki SX4
Dongfeng Citroën C4
Dongfeng Ming Si
FAW VW Golf

S2 :
Buick HRV
BYD F3
Changan Ford Fiesta
Dongfeng Citroën C2
Dongfeng Peugeot 206
Dongfeng Yueda Kia Cerato
Fengshen Aeolus
GAC TOyota Yaris
Geely GX2
Guangqi Honda Fit
JAC Heyue A30
Lifan X50
Soueast Lioncel
Youngman Lotus L3

S1 :
Changan Suzuki Swift
Lifan 320
Lifan 330
Lifan LF132
Shanghai VW Polo

and so on ...

[Sulland]

…and creating a new R4 kit category aimed at providing a budget-friendly four-wheel-drive category whose costs and performance lie between R3 and R5 cars.

What could this mean?
A kit car, with spaceframe, or a kit to build in to an existing car, as the Poles do?

pricewise we are still talking a place btw 100-250 000 €, hopefully closer to the first number. Still a lot of money for a privateer!

[Zeakiwi]

Subaru have another hatchback in the future. Might make a better rally/ RX base than the sedan 4 door.
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...py-photos-news

[Jack4688`]

Here's the official preview image from Subaru for the 2015 Tokyo motor show

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/mo...ed-tokyo-motor



Of course we all know Subaru production cars never live up to their concept counterparts

[Arnold Triyudho Wardono]

S6 (4WD)
Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (maybe it's the same than the old Subaru USA ? Not sure)
Skoda Fabia III
Skoda Fabia II + Skoda Fabia S2000 with 1.6T engine
BAIC-Saab D50
BAIC E150
Soueast V6
Soueast Mitsubishi Lancer EX
Soueast Lancer Evo X

According from Patrik Sandell (he was driving for Fan Fan at Hokkaido), the Soueast Lancer EX has the paddle shift.

[Zeakiwi]

This could be a way of making a basic production road more competitive against the big dollar cars.
Hopper's 600 hp Subaru 2.3 litre engine - carbon fibre roof, lightweight bonnet, doors boot lid. Modena sequential transmission.
https://youtu.be/tdvqJ6QQoFI