Rally Argentina 2015

[N.O.T]

First question - how can You justify something not in the same time, not the same conditions, and with not all the people involved? It's a difficult one, I know....

you take into account some constants and you compare according to the era.

If you need everything to be on the same level and time to draw conclusions then you pretty much exclude any kind of comparison even if the two things are in the same time and level.

For example with your logic you can claim than the man who discoved the wheel was a smarter man than Einstein... or to claim that these two people cannot be compared.

[stefanvv]

you take into account some constants and you compare according to the era.

If you need everything to be on the same level and time to draw conclusions then you pretty much exclude any kind of comparison even if the two things are in the same time and level.

For example with your logic you can claim than the man who discoved the wheel was a smarter man than Einstein... or to claim that these two people cannot be compared.

Your response is pretty foggy and lastly quite dramatic. I am particularly interested who is the man who discovered the wheel?

[N.O.T]

Your response is pretty foggy and lastly quite dramatic. I am particularly interested who is the man who discovered the wheel?

that was exactly the reason why i used this example... with your logic nothing can be compared.

[stefanvv]

that was exactly the reason why i used this example... with your logic nothing can be compared.

So, why do You compare then?

btw, currently there are actually people with more IQ than Mr. Einstein. But they are famous only with this fact. How can You compare this?

[AL14]

I am particularly interested who is the man who discovered the wheel?

No one knows but there are high chances that his name was Sebastien

[N.O.T]

So, why do You compare then?

btw, currently there are actually people with more IQ than Mr. Einstein. But they are famous only with this fact. How can You compare this?

because you compare achievements not numbers... if you compare numbers then again with your logic they do not mean anything because for example IQ was calculated using different tests in the 40s than they use now.

my objection lies to the fact that by avoiding comparisons due to whatever reason you basically become an opinion less person. I prefer to have an opinion about everything that is of my interest than to be just a spectator of things.

[stefanvv]

No one knows but there are high chances that his name was Sebastien

Well done Al

[stefanvv]

because you compare achievements not numbers... if you compare numbers then again with your logic they do not mean anything because for example IQ was calculated using different tests in the 40s than they use now.

Exactly, numbers don't mean much if You compare different circumstances. We don't need to compare different eras, different drivers in different periods, different results in overall.

my objection lies to the fact that by avoiding comparisons due to whatever reason you basically become an opinion less person. I prefer to have an opinion about everything that is of my interest than to be just a spectator of things.

Opinion is one thing, You can make idols, or whatever You call them if You want, but everything in its time and personal preference. You can't change an opinion of an grown and experienced the "things" person though. So choking every spark of progress is not the way the things to get better. That applies to former persons involved in the sport in one way or another.

After all it is just a sport, and the sport idea is to enjoy it, no matter what time or era it is. For sure every one has it's own heroes (for one reason or another), it is for the bar where this can come to a fight or something

[N.O.T]

It is quite dangerous if people followed your logic where personal preferences should be accepted because you cannot change an adult persons mind...

What does it mean it is just a sport ? it is something some people are passionate about and enjoy it in different ways... choking a spark of progress is one thing and choking a spark of nothingness another...

About the comparisons as i said you compare things and people according to some constants and by comparing achievements/numbers and facts... its the complicity of the whole thing that makes it exciting to draw your conclusions... you prefer to be opinionless and i prefer to have a very strong opinion about things which i support with facts, if you want to argue you can simply state facts that disprove it, by saying you cannot compare them you just step aside.

I can do this all night... Mayweather vs pacquiao is in 3 hours time.

[AL14]

You guys are into a tunnel, you'll never end this conversation cause you're far from your main topic.

@stefanvv I see your point. But I think anyone can compare things in different eras and as NOT says supporting it with facts. Maybe his right maybe he's wrong but I think in a forum is good that everyone can do it and can criticise other opinions.

@NOT As I write before I think you have a point. But it seems to me some member of this forum is asking you to be a bit more respectful to those who you think are not right. This doesn't mean you don't have to argue or defend your position. But I'm not amongst them, I actually find it funny somehow (besides the "low life" referred to a nation like Argentina)

BTW if you want to fight NOT back it is very simple, you can talk about the last rally winner, say that his car was not too much sideways and the Nose End First guy will join the conversation. It seems he doesn't like it.