Rally2 (ex-R5) News

[Rally Power]

Even with strict and balanced rules like those of the R5 category, factory teams will always have more resources to develop their cars than private tuners.

But this Mirage R5 interest comes from the purpose that it could be cheaper than top R5 cars and an answer to all Mitsu rally drivers and dealers wishing to replace their dated Evos.

Btw, if FIA now accepts Gt cars homologation from private tuners, why not allow the same for R5 cars?

[Ounin]

I like private initiatives and sometimes they come to fruitition. Of course the factory looks at it from distance and if it fails they say "it's a private project" and if it succeeds or it has potency they are interested ... the whole GT scene that is supported by FIA now is and always has been private ; remember the Future World Porsche that was not really a success initially but it started up something as it is now! The Finnish Aston Martin project is private. The Belgian Mustang will be Floral Racing.
Tet me remind you that the Polo S2000 is originally from South Africa, and shortly René Georges took it to Europe. Maybe VAG was so much interested they gave it a go and called their project Skoda Fabia...
I like the Mitsubishi R5 a lot hope it will interest some people in Japan to give it some support it needs.

[br21]

With R5 problem is there is so limited Jokers number available, so not a lot of possibilities to improve already homologated car.
Also I don't want to be rude, but if it's true that rollcage was done with wrong welding method and it's why it was not homologated in Sweden, then it's not good advert for the team which developed it. If they didn't notice such thing in regulations then question is what else they missed?

[Rallyper]

Maybe wrong welding method by papers, not by material.

[Sulland]

I found this from another forum.

http://www.rallye-info.com/forum/vie...t=231&start=60

by Sulland » 11 Sep 2013 19:43
Mparts from Sweden is building a Mitsubishi Spacestar R5 from scratch, with blessing from Mitsubishi.
It is for now ment for national homologation, but that might change. Only int approved seats is missing to go international.
Plan is to have it ready for the 2014 season in Sweden!
Price will be aprox 140 000 euro.

Cool that people dare to challenge the big guns!

Sulland, from where did you get the information that the project has blessing from Mitsubishi?

It is mentioned several places in conjuction with press coverage at RallyDay 2014, also here:
http://racingist.com/2014/08/13/mits...t-at-rallyday/

So I guess it has come from Mr Wengs camp when they were there.

[Rally Power]

... the whole GT scene that is supported by FIA now is and always has been private ; remember the Future World Porsche that was not really a success initially but it started up something as it is now! The Finnish Aston Martin project is private. The Belgian Mustang will be Floral Racing.
Tet me remind you that the Polo S2000 is originally from South Africa, and shortly René Georges took it to Europe. Maybe VAG was so much interested they gave it a go and called their project Skoda Fabia...
I like the Mitsubishi R5 a lot hope it will interest some people in Japan to give it some support it needs.

As far as I remember, until recently (2014?) GT private projects had only national homologation because FIA international homologation was reserved for manufacturers. Only Lotus showed interest in it, that's why FIA came to allow private tuners to get international homologations for their GT projects, like those you've mentioned.

Like GT, R5 isn't the pinnacle category of the sport, so why can FIA allow private R5 projects to get international homologation alongside the factory ones?

Maybe that way R5 could get cheaper and a larger number of models could be seen on stages, and that would be positive for the sport!

[Mirek]

As far as I remember, until recently (2014?) GT private projects had only national homologation because FIA international homologation was reserved for manufacturers. Only Lotus showed interest in it, that's why FIA came to allow private tuners to get international homologations for their GT projects, like those you've mentioned.

Like GT, R5 isn't the pinnacle category of the sport, so why can FIA allow private R5 projects to get international homologation alongside the factory ones?

Maybe that way R5 could get cheaper and a larger number of models could be seen on stages, and that would be positive for the sport!

There is a big difference between RGT and R5. RGT are near stock cars while R5 are purpose built machines. They need to use quite a lot of production parts but that doesn't make them less tricky. The rules of R5 are really challenging and don't allow cheap success. You can see how many difficulties big and rich factory teams have with them. In some way the R5 development is more difficult than S2000. RGT is entirely different story.

On top of that as Br21 pointed out once You homologate R5 You are virtually fixed for several years without a chance for major changes. That means You have to make things right out of the box or You are fucked. See how even a big factory team lost a complete season with problems of 208 T16 which already before was one year delayed in development due to the difficulties...

[OldF]

It is mentioned several places in conjuction with press coverage at RallyDay 2014, also here:
http://racingist.com/2014/08/13/mits...t-at-rallyday/

So I guess it has come from Mr Wengs camp when they were there.

Thanks Sulland. I remembered that you said it in a post but I was too lazy to browse true the posts and by googling mitsubishi r5 (not ”mitsubishi r5”) I didn’t find any mention of Mitsubishi approval on the pages I opened. Btw, the link you posted was on 7^th page of the google result and usually I don’t go that far back when searching for something.

[Mirek]

Tet me remind you that the Polo S2000 is originally from South Africa, and shortly René Georges took it to Europe. Maybe VAG was so much interested they gave it a go and called their project Skoda Fabia...

It wasn't like that. AFAIK Polo S2000 played zero role in Fabia development and the two cars shared nothing common except same stock chassis platform. Also it wasn't VAG who ordered Škoda to make S2000 but a Škoda initiative from the point of start. The reason why they decided for it was in that time rapid success of IRC. Fabia was somewhat influenced by Peugeot 207 and Fiat Punto which were both available for Škoda for testing thanks to team of Kopecký but the final design was largely different from both (biggest difference being completely different suspension geometry).

[Ounin]

It wasn't like that. AFAIK Polo S2000 played zero role in Fabia development and the two cars shared nothing common except same stock chassis platform. Also it wasn't VAG who ordered Škoda to make S2000 but a Škoda initiative from the point of start. The reason why they decided for it was in that time rapid success of IRC. Fabia was somewhat influenced by Peugeot 207 and Fiat Punto which were both available for Škoda for testing thanks to team of Kopecký but the final design was largely different from both (biggest difference being completely different suspension geometry).

I said maybe. But thanks for the info! Maybe René Georges took the Polo project to Belgium for same reason Skoda ordered to develop the Fabia, IRC or : business opportunities. Maybe