Circuit of Ireland Rally 2015

[nafpaktos]

a good example whether or not a private driver with wrcar is faster than an <official>driver with wrc2 car was beglium championsip in the past.prinsen against loix.of course prinsen is decent driver and not gentleman driver.

[nafpaktos]

1. #102 flag Boyle Declan - Boyle Brian icon Subaru Impreza S12B WRC '07 (JT07 SRT) 1:58:47.5 109.0

1. #2 flag Lappi Esapekka - Ferm Janne icon Škoda Fabia S2000 (11R 0245) 2:06:15.5 109.6

230.62 total distance for both events,so i see wrcars are faster.the average speed for erc winner is 109.6 and for national winner 109.why?

[Mirek]

Go back few pages. It's explained there. One stage was canceled for national field hence the difference. WRC drivers were not faster, they just run one stage less.

[Coach 2]

This article on the R11T from 1987 is very enlightening, 'Braking and Entering' ... http://homepage.virgin.net/shalco.com/renault11.htm

"This light little Renault can trip tarmac lights at remarkable, if not staggering, rates. Believe this: the first special stage of the third leg of this year's Tour de Corse was exactly the same as previous years. It ran for 28.77km from Notre Dame de la Serra to Point Cinque Arcate. Last year Bruno Saby won the Tour de Corse in his tarmac , sorry, Corsica , specification Evo2 Peugeot 205 T16; a car at the pinnacle of turbocharged Group 8 mechanical magnificence. That year he was also fastest on the Notre Dame de la Serra to Point Cinque Arcate test.

Bruno Saby needed 17 minutes and 38 seconds to thrust his 4wd E2 T16 over this 28.77km test. This year Jeannot Ragnotti hurled his 1419cc, carburettor-and-tiny-turbo engined fwd Renault saloon car fastest over those 28.77km. It took him 18 minutes and eight seconds , a mere 30 seconds more than Saby's mega-tech 4wd supercar. How can this ageing rally hatch be so rapid?"

"We have low power, but a very good power band, a very close-ratio gearbox, and therefore low top speed, so the car's acceleration is quite good, but even so, its standing 1/4-mile time is hardly faster than a standard Peugeot 205GTI 1.9: our Group A R11 Turbo does the standing 400m in 14.90 seconds, the new 1.9 GTI does it in 15.05s. So to be competitive we have to make the car as light as possible with as high a cornering speed as we can get."

"A component part of cornering is braking: the more efficient and stable a car's retardation, the quicker will be its elapsed time through a corner. And it's a complete understatement to say that there are many corners in Corsica. The multitude of twists, turns and gradients on the roads of this island make a car's braking performance critical to its Tour de Corse competitiveness."

I repeat, what Ricardo75 claim can not be right. Or so, we must rewrite some laws of physics, or how important weight is in motorsport.
If I remember right would weight limit for an M3 be 960 kg.
Weight limit for a R11 was 880 kg. 1419 * 1.4 (turbo) = The limit for cars until 2000ccm.
Renault managed to build a car that was only 6 kg over the weight limit, while BMW made cars that were more than 240 kg too heavy compared to the M3's weight limit. No way.
In that case I have to change how skilled I believe Jean Ragnotti was as a driver (not so good) and how good Bernard Beguin was (best on asphalt ever).

[RICARDO75]

It can not be true. Why would an M3 weigh 300 kg more than a R11 Turbo.
Yes it was FWD.

Sorry, +125kg. The Group A8 cars from 90's had about 1200 kg
Renault 11 Turbo - 900kg 185hp
BMW M3 E30 - 1025kg 290/ 300hp

[Coach 2]

I did not mean to be naughty Ricardo, but I think you are mixing together weight limits from different years.
If we take the limit for cars intill 2000ccm it was (if I remember right) 880kg until 1988. Then the 920kg. Since 1992, I believe it was 960kg, for later rise to 1000kg. We are now talking about group A. The current Gr R has other weight limits.
A8 cars under 90s I think had to weigh 1230kg.

[RICARDO75]

I did not mean to be naughty Ricardo, but I think you are mixing together weight limits from different years.
If we take the limit for cars intill 2000ccm it was (if I remember right) 880kg until 1988. Then the 920kg. Since 1992, I believe it was 960kg, for later rise to 1000kg. We are now talking about group A. The current Gr R has other weight limits.
A8 cars under 90s I think had to weigh 1230kg.

BMW M3 had 2300cc engine and 1025kg on 1987

[Jarek Z]

Kajto testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBqVjWw6ImY

Damn it! Is it just me or is he pushing like hell?

[Tom206wrc]

I've also read about Suárez but if He isn't on the entry list for the Circuit then, probably, He won't do the J-ERC program... We'll see, Nobody know about Suárez since they last appearance in Madrid (last rally of the spanish national championship).

Finally he will run the french 208 Cup like Nil Solans

[wildboar]

Great black livery of the Porsche:

https://twitter.com/Tuthill_Porsche/...685120/photo/1