Young talented drivers

[stefanvv]

Loeb was not special early ?? LOL...

No he wasn't. Of course not on asphalt, he was special there. But he learned a lot from those who "ridiculed" later

[N.O.T]

No he wasn't. Of course not on asphalt, he was special there. But he learned a lot from those who "ridiculed" later

are you aware of the fact that he was french GRAVEL champion ???

[stefanvv]

are you aware of the fact that he was french GRAVEL champion ???

Not really, I just watch youtube, that's all

[N.O.T]

Not really, I just watch youtube, that's all

then why you said he was not special on gravel ?? he won his first gravel event 2 years in his WRC career...

[stefanvv]

then why you said he was not special on gravel ?? he won his first gravel event 2 years in his WRC career...

One year of learning, 2nd has a win, he learns

[sollitt]

Latvala had the same treatment, hirvonen also, solberg also, martin also and many many others...

Really, they were supported by their national organizations who, through a direct line to the world's largest car manufacturer, arranged a factory drive? Remarkable. They kept that quiet.

Loeb was not special early ?? LOL...

That's right. LOL ... Nothing special.

[N.O.T]

Really, they were supported by their national organizations who, through a direct line to the world's largest car manufacturer, arranged a factory drive? Remarkable. They kept that quiet.

That's right. LOL ... Nothing special.

well hirvonen and latvala had very early in their careers manufacturer support... didn't they ? a contract with subaru after 3 years of private drives for solberg at the age of 25 and a contract at ford at the age of 22 for latvala... hirvonen had support from manufacturer at the age of 24...

Loebs first contract was at the age of 26... he was driving the s1600 until then...

who had better results than Loeb and Ogier early in their careers... so that you consider them not special ?

next time fail better...

that is the problem when you decide to open your mouth without checking the true facts and using those in your head instead...

[sollitt]

There is a significant difference between having "some manufacturer support" and having a guaranteed drive ... and a pay cheque.

Loeb's S1600 campaign was in factory car after which he was catapulted into WRC car. Prior to that he had won some "ladyboy' domestic series but not much else. So nothing particularly 'special' there. In fact his earlier exploits in WRC cars were nothing special. He grabbed an opportunity and excelled. For that I am a fan.
But that doesn't change the fact that his was a privileged beginning and a career with a level of certainty not enjoyed by others.

Please return to combing your hair and leave the rally discussions to those who know what they're talking about.

[N.O.T]

as i said and you did not answer... name a driver with a better early start than him.

Manufacturer support means very little... Latvala had way more starts than him at the age of Loeb, solberg and hirvonen also... and Gronholm had no support until the age of 30+ and he was Loebs closest rival...

if you are a garbage dog no matter what support you get you will fail and pay your whole life... and visa versa.

[dimviii]

Loebs first contract was at the age of 26... he was driving the s1600 until then...
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and won all rallies he finished at wrc with s1600 car.Rallies he visited first time.