Marussia gone; official

[driveace]

Is the dwarf going to bribe Force India,and put money in their sweaty palms to get them to allow Marussia to run. Or get Mr Russia ,or one of the big oil companies there to sponsor the team

[CNR]

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8954926
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Reports in Britain suggest Marussia are still hoping new owners can be found to get them racing sometime this year.

Under F1 rules, a team is allowed to miss three races during a season, meaning they could still line up in Bahrain in April.
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let them turn up in April and beat the asshole teams

"It needed all the teams to agree and there were three or four of them that didn't agree."
lotus, force india, salba ?

[CNR]

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com...to-f1-in-2015/
“Subsequent to this application, the team was informed on 5 January 2015, that the Strategy Group felt that two teams – Marussia and Caterham – should be permitted to race a 2014 car in the 2015 championship. The letter stated that the Strategy Group agreed that the car should comply with all of the 2015 technical regulations, with the exception of four articles, those articles being Articles 3.7.9, 15.4.3, 15.4.4 and 16.2. The team can confirm that the modifications to its 2014 car would meet this stipulation.
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com...-win-in-paris/
The sad irony about this case is that the team that was the first to veto Marussia’s return was Force India – the very team that had threatened to boycott last November’s United States Grand Prix because of how F1 was treating the smaller fish outside of the Strategy Group. It has since become a member of the body, and its first act was to arguably do exactly what it had protested against in the past.

[N. Jones]

As long as Bernie is going to keep the rules such as they are that less teams equals more money, we are never going to see more than the nine teams we have now.

[truefan72]

As long as Bernie is going to keep the rules such as they are that less teams equals more money, we are never going to see more than the nine teams we have now.

and let me add one thing about the teams and bernie.
until you get a proper revenue sharing system F1 will continue to fail.
I think the likes of ferrari, mclaren, mercedes and rBR have gotten plenty of the bounty up to this point.
if they can just establish a proper revenue sharing system with an extra bonus for the rankings then that will certainly help
all these decisions based on money will go away quickly.
teams would know that they will be financially solvent forever
and if the bigger teams want to spend above and beyond, what would amount to be , a healthy lump sum of money, then tey can
and then will duly be taxed above an agreed upon ceiling

this idea is so simple and effective that it hurts my head to fathom as to why it is not been instituted when clearly it is what the sport needs.
The NFL has done it and all the teams are stinking rich because of it.

Combine that with a slight reduction in the race hosting fees ( which means cheaper tickets), a better television contract and taking advantage of the internet, and you will see F! regain its charm and popularity.

[jens]

at the end of the day, i still assign the majority of the blame to the FIA and Max Mosley who screwed up the process in such a way that he bribed 3 financially unsound teams to enter the sport, while rejecting real buds that would have been around today. ohm, and a 4th "USF1" that didn't even make the grid.
FI teams and the FIA have already killed the golden goose, now they are trying to bury it

Funny thing is that in retrospect Max Mosley had a point with his budget cap idea. Okay, maybe it was too low (30M €) and maybe the proposal was too radical at the time that it shocked everybody, so that Max was sent out of the office... Anyway, I think Max saw, what was coming due to recession. And he was determined to push this change through.

As for the choice of teams. They were all promised a budget cap. And I think they would have all struggled regardless of who would have been chosen. Who else were there applying, who didn't get a chance? Lola? Prodrive?

Campos team, using cars built by Dallara seemed like a strong team to enter F1, but Campos fell financially apart already before the 2010 season had even begun. Plus all new teams were going to use outdated Cosworth engines. There were no good outlooks for any newcomers.

Funny thing. I am not fond of the corrupt Max Mosley, at all. But I want him for one thing. To come back and tell all teams to "F*** off, we are going to have budget cap, cost cutting, and run F1 economically like we should, and you will not dictate anything here." Sometimes... in critical situations... a tough and determined leader is needed.

[jens]

Then we would be down to 16 cars. How would that help the sport?

My answer would be that... sometimes situations must become truly critical for people to learn from it and actually change something. Otherwise they will be in the 'comfort zone' saying that "ok, it's not too bad yet, let's carry on."

The loss of Marussia hasn't changed anything. Still 2 cars per team. F1's financial structure remains the same. Bernie carries on as always.

But imagine Lotus, FI, STR and Sauber all disappear and we are left with only 5 teams. Then everyone in power MUST act, because it is absolutely impossible to carry on.

Perhaps that's why we need a proper earthquake in F1.

[steveaki13]

F1 needs some kind of shock and soon.

I think most of us have said at some point that we think F1 is dying or heading down a dangerous road. And so it is proving.

Manor look to have little to no chance now and that is sad. That F1 as a whole will allow a potentially cash strapped team in Force India to block Marussia's entry.

18 cars guaranteed high and 16 is possible. F1 is in a mess.

[AndyL]

Graeme Lowdon is now saying that their application to run a 2014 car was not vetoed, because they never made such an application:

"...we did not make any application to yesterday’s Strategy Group meeting and nor were we asked to."

As far as they are concerned they're still aiming to turn up with the old car modified to meet 2015 regulations, with certain exceptions that were apparently approved a month ago as per CNR's post above. (After their fairy godmother arrives with a pumpkin full of cash of course.)

Updated story on JAF1:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/0...al-teams-veto/

[Bagwan]

Forbes has it that about 200 companies are owed a pile of money , and some have assets they are holding hostage for money owed .
It looks like the money they are due to get from the prize fund may be pretty close to covering what is owed , but it doesn't come all at once , but rather , in installments through the year .

There needs to be some solid money behind this bid to start with , because , presumably , many of these 200 suppliers would be needed to be convinced to still supply the team to make it happen .

The team cannot carry on if it is deemed to be "insolvent" , so it must clear all this up asap .
If it does , it can miss 3 races , and still be a viable entry .