Young talented drivers

[AL14]

And a great name too! Very evocative.

Yes but you have to know that "ini" sounds as a diminutive in italian, literally translated it would be "little storms" or "little tempests"

[nafpaktos]

Did you ever complain about Prokop not deserving his chances by the way? For me it's the exact same thing...

For me it's the same too.i mentioned these two french drivers cause NOT praises the french rally system and the drivers come out from it,what i want to say is that there is no faultless system and always drivers from every country will take chances they dont deserve and not only from finland.

[janvanvurpa]

Yes but you have to know that "ini" sounds as a diminutive in italian, literally translated it would be "little storms" or "little tempests"

I know*...but still better a "little Tempest" than say " Big Fogg" .

(one of the things I always find annoying is how we don't have easy "diminutive" endings or we don't commonly use them so much in English... in Spanish and some degree in French its not just or not always "little' but also affectionate. So nice to have a clear marker for when others feel closer, like when people would say "Hey Johhny, let's get a beer" in France I knew we were that little bit closer, like tu and vous or Spanish tu and usted ---and that made me think--WTF is the formal 'you" in Italian?)


*First Language as a wee babe was Spanish, second was English, 3rd was Swedish at 17, then came French in mid-20s to late 20s...now when I'm old i have little girls 9 and 7 and they first speak Chinese here, then English and now both chose to take bi-lingual English and Spanish language in school...and I had to tell them I can only help so much because the Spanish is pushed so far back..I do show them very often just how close the words and sentances are between Spanish, French and Italian and to make the real crazy I show them Catalan, too. We all love language here.)

[vino_93]

For me it's the same too.i mentioned these two french drivers cause NOT praises the french rally system and the drivers come out from it,what i want to say is that there is no faultless system and always drivers from every country will take chances they dont deserve and not only from finland.

Maurin has nothing to see with the french system. He grows by his own way, bringing money, driving powerfull cars without being able of it ... then he understood, take lesson with Bernardi and improve a lot until now to be a good gentleman driver. But he never took part to some cups.

Yacco has nothing to see with his family. It's and old french sponsor. They supported Vigion, when he lost his driving license. They needed someone to be in, and took Maurin. I still don't exactly now why ... I can suppose it's some kind of business agreement, or Maurin had money so it costs less to run the car and the team. But since the end of 2009, they are partner.

[N.O.T]

For me it's the same too.i mentioned these two french drivers cause NOT praises the french rally system and the drivers come out from it,what i want to say is that there is no faultless system and always drivers from every country will take chances they dont deserve and not only from finland.

I never praised the french system or the FFSA... in general i avoid praising people, teams, cars... the over glorification of things is something i despise. I only give respect when its due and for the right reasons, not because someone is from the same country as i am, not because i own a car from a manufacturer in the WRC and not because i met a driver once and he gave me his autograph and was nice to me...

I am just being honest and i speak the truth, i understand that most people cannot stand so much negativity because they already have enough during their sad days in this world and they probably come in here to cheer up and i spoil the fun... but i prefer to be honest, at least in that way you know what you are dealing with.

and the truth on this matter is that all these years the series were under the control of the managers that fed useless doggies to the WRC... i mean you have to be semi retarded to expect the best drivers to come from a country that has no idea what tarmac rallying is... but the managers paid the teams through sponsors and the teams were happy.... then the best driver in the history of motorsport came and teams realised that there is another way of doing things... and they followed that and we got Ogier now... think about it... Latvala through his managers and connections is in the sport for 10 years almost and Ogier comes again out of nowhere and ridicules him like a kid... if you cannot see somethign REALLY wrong with that picture you are just a star trek person... which is not necessarily a bad thing...maybe.

[Rallyper]

NOT - you are unfortenately not honest in your analysis. It´s easy to see, not only in your latest quote.

[Hartusvuori]

Improved post, NOT, though you're still dwelling in the past. Of course managers (or one manager) have shaped the history of rallying in helping Finnish drivers to get good seats in teams, but you give awful lot of credit to that one if we are otherwise a nation that only a retard would think produce decent rally drivers. You made that judgement by looking at a map?

I was trying to shape a picture of current young drivers who try
make their way through to at least some level, on their own, on their own work, on their risk. Some of these drivers gets picked up by a contact that help them out, but they've made that contact on their success. These young talents with similar actions live in every nation that have any sort of rallying going on.

I'll end here.

[Ounin]

Probably there aren't borders anymore here in Europe, the new approach, for a young talented guy you have to move out of your home country and gain as much experience and attention as possible. In this stage you probably need a sponsor but management is not major factor.

It's very funny but why are the Estonians so quiet on this topic? Next to France the best rally talents producing country is without a doubt Estonia, they are everywhere in ERC as well as WRC. I would like to know what happens over there.

[AL14]

So before Loeb all rally was a (finnish) lie?

[Franky]

Probably there aren't borders anymore here in Europe, the new approach, for a young talented guy you have to move out of your home country and gain as much experience and attention as possible. In this stage you probably need a sponsor but management is not major factor.

It's very funny but why are the Estonians so quiet on this topic? Next to France the best rally talents producing country is without a doubt Estonia, they are everywhere in ERC as well as WRC. I would like to know what happens over there.

In short, those who've found money are doing ERC and WRC.

Those who aren't fortunate enough are doing mostly Estonian championship on a tight budget. Regarding the next generation of young guns there are a few. And as I mentioned in reply to Per some pages ago the youngest gun is still a 15 year old, who's driving this season a Peugeot 208 R2. At Sarma Rally he was 2nd among 2WD.

Hopefully some other Estonian can give a more detailed assessment of the Estonian rally scene.