Rally Wrc France-Alsace 2014

[cali]

Per's yanking about PT is getting funnier all the time. Just some advice - telling people here how great Pontus skills are not helping him much to get a seat in works teams. besides, there are some other great drivers out there and he has to prove that he is better than them, long way to go ...
Meanwhile, Abbring's performance is getting more interesting by every rally

[Mintexmemory]

....and since when we're the Netherlands considered central Europe. I've seen all the current crop of hopefuls in the flesh and while Tidemand is clearly someone with potential he has nowhere near the experience of Abbring, nor the maturity. As for not performing particularly well in Sweden, I seem to recall it took a M. S Loeb some years to get a hang of it - look how that affected his career!

[Franky]

....and since when we're the Netherlands considered central Europe.

Geography is a mess anyway. How does on determine where does the South, North, East or West start and how does Central fit inbetween.

Tidemand needs to have more outings or a small number in WRC where he has to shine. Something like Hirvonen did in the private Focus.

[Mirek]

But - if you have two drivers with quite equal skills on gravel and tarmac and one of them also has the speed on ice and gravel - who would you choose?

I know it's not polite to answer a question by another question but... how do You know they are equal when they fought against each other only once with very unequal result? To the original question - in that case sure the snow-driving skills are important but how many times the WRC title was won by a difference in driving on snow and how many times the result from Sweden was in the end quire irrelevant?

Btw two events. RMC could be needed skill how to drive in icy conditions...

History of RMC favors asphalt drivers over Nordic ones. Over the history there were 17 Nordic RMC winners, 57 from mainland Europe and 6 from Britain. In the more recent history since 1980 there were 27 asphalt drivers (France, Italy, Spain, Germany) and 8 Nordic ones (Finland only).

[SpeedEstRacing]

my vidéo: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxO_yrW-4m0

[Mirek]

Geography is a mess anyway. How does on determine where does the South, North, East or West start and how does Central fit inbetween.

Actually You are right that Central Europe has not a clear definition but Netherlands isn't contained in any of the existing ones as the countries in question are mainly Balkan ones

[Mirek]

Abbring is quite good on snow also!
He won S2000 class in Monte 2012. It was not too snowy event, but had some ice on the stages.

That was his first 4WD start on asphalt... also he was the most spectacular driver off all that year. Was there always waiting for him (once he almost binned it at my place)

But actually there was almost no snow. Only Burzet had something like 40% of snow or ice and the road over Col de Gaudissart was water-covered ice (with wide tyres and small studs that is the most boring surface You can spectate).

[Rallyper]

Per's yanking about PT is getting funnier all the time. Just some advice - telling people here how great Pontus skills are not helping him much to get a seat in works teams. besides, there are some other great drivers out there and he has to prove that he is better than them, long way to go ...
Meanwhile, Abbring's performance is getting more interesting by every rally

Yanking? Hmmmmm...??? Proving? Well, yes he has done that also. But for sure not too many occasions for him to show skills and yes - Abbring maybe a better choice.
Btw this discussion should be removed maybe to Silly Season 2015 thread.

[Andre Oliveira]

[janvanvurpa]

Here's something.. Some people say " Rally France and Rally Gemany are just so many km apart and looks the same...blah blah..."
But do they? I see trees--ya know those BIG gree things and the stick out of the ground like 5-8-10 meters high and the give me the impression that these guys are running thru a thing called "a forest"....like this wonderful shot here:


There is no fawkin way I am going to mistake that shot for one of a car on some circuit going in circles!

In Germania it looks like vines--ordered neatly arranged vines about shoulder height.....
That seems a little different. Just a bit.

Are these 2 events too alike? Should 1 go somewhere else? Which one? Why?

Maybe this whole thing is an extending complement t that great shot--don't know I think I am sick..