Rally Wrc France-Alsace 2014

**Mintexmemory** · 6th October 2014, 13:21

Originally Posted by Francis44

Also, it's pretty easy to blame the cops but they are specifically told to not let anyone on the road whatever the problem is. If something happens to any spectator the cops in the area will be held responsible for that.

Exactement mon brave! The use of police on rally stages with a limited remit will always end in situations like this. Imagine how much worse it would be in China, say!

**noel157** · 6th October 2014, 14:14

Wasn't the best place for the two cops to stand when the car mounted the bank. Freeze at 0.03. One just stands there with arms folded and looks away and then walks away before the other does something. The two standing with a marshall (!) in the run off area, of the junction isn't too healthy either.
Hey, I know it's easy to criticize but they really should've been advised on the dangers of motorsport. Perhaps they didn't listen to the marshalls. Standing on the outside of corners or in the escape road isn't good.

Edit- the guy in the blue shirt at 1.00 seems to know what to do but don't think anybody is listening to him.

**Mintexmemory** · 6th October 2014, 14:55

Trust me Noel, the marshals in France do not tell the Police what to do, even if it's for their own good! The Police will tell everybody else what to do, even when out of their depth!

**bluuford** · 6th October 2014, 15:21

Originally Posted by Rallyper

Talking about complete drivers I think we must mention Pontus Tidemand who really can put complete surfaces driver on his CV. Snow, gravel or tarmac doesn´t matter for him. Any other upcomer showing those skills atm?

To be quite true.. I was very dissapointed by his showing in France. I was expecting more after the Germany. Crashing and taking only one RC2 stage win is nothing too special. On the other hand Abbring lived up my expectation. One year in France and good experience with 208 was well used over the weekend.

**makinen_fan** · 6th October 2014, 16:28

The marshals and especially from the drivers were very slow to react ... they must know better what to do in these situations.
Also why is Ogier coming just 4 minute after the 0 car. Usually it is more like 10-15minutes before first car...

Another negatives from the organisers was not allowing the rally radio and tv people at the end of stage for interviews, not the usual end of stage celebrations at the end of Power Stage, the pointless SSS with no visible spectators. Generally the least exciting of rallies to watch, both video and photos. Time for a change of location I IMO... but then money talks...

**br21** · 6th October 2014, 16:33

Originally Posted by Mirek

Some time a go somebody told me that Armin Schwarz was using ABS in Fabia WRC for wet asphalt conditions. I think I heard that also Seat Cordoba WRC had ABS but I guess that it wasn't used a lot...

In my opinion it was more like active diffs working to prevent locking wheels rather than "typical" ABS system, which needs different master cylinders, etc, etc.

**Rallyper** · 6th October 2014, 16:45

Originally Posted by bluuford

To be quite true.. I was very dissapointed by his showing in France. I was expecting more after the Germany. Crashing and taking only one RC2 stage win is nothing too special. On the other hand Abbring lived up my expectation. One year in France and good experience with 208 was well used over the weekend.

Judging from latest event having a win in Germany is quite poor I think. He was in the topp three matching tarmac specialists when he cut too much. Can happen to everyone.
Abbring though is very fast, but how is he performing on snow/ice? I have not slightest idea about that. You tell me.

**janvanvurpa** · 6th October 2014, 16:54

Originally Posted by noel157

Well, that was well organised.... Le Cop seemed to know what he was doing.....not.

Can't help but think of the contrast with the fans--and crews---in Sweden aand especvially Finland---they seem to have the cars flapped back over before the crews realise they flipped! I've seen people start running when theres still things likedirt, rocks, trees, the car churned up falling back to earth.!
They're running--and cheering!

**janvanvurpa** · 6th October 2014, 16:56

Originally Posted by Mintexmemory

The Police will tell everybody else what to do, even when out of their depth!

Isn't that last bit superfluous?

**EightGear** · 6th October 2014, 17:02

Originally Posted by Rallyper

Judging from latest event having a win in Germany is quite poor I think. He was in the topp three matching tarmac specialists when he cut too much. Can happen to everyone.
Abbring though is very fast, but how is he performing on snow/ice? I have not slightest idea about that. You tell me.

I don't know, but does that really matter? There's only 1 event with such conditions in WRC.