Rally Wrc France-Alsace 2014

**manthey** · 6th October 2014, 08:41

Originally Posted by denkimi

the hyundai seems to lift its rear wheels a lot in corners. perhaps thats why they were so slow here.

I noted this tendency also in the pre-france tests...so seems this "hard" setup was ok for the drivers...but against competitors in the race (the stage time) they were complaining about that...softer setup was faster (ie more grip on the exit corner and so carrying more speed on straight...my interpretation.. it wasn't a power problem deficit vs vw but less grip)

**stefanvv** · 6th October 2014, 11:13

Originally Posted by manthey

I give my personal interpretation: maybe it's due to his circuit's background

he tends to brake very very late and then slam the car into the corner...sometimes the car is still non balanced (when he is still in the corner) and he is already flat-out...an approach typical as he has downforce from the car...an area where wrc lacks vs circuit's racing cars

That is fair assessment. But not only the lack of downforce is the problem with such approach. Often the corners are damp and/or there is dirt on them, this leads front wheels to lose direction and the whole car slides off. That is one risk factor. The other is when flat out with such approach he creates another out of the corner. How difficult it can be? I don't think it is his disability that causes it, just the car is driven as in f1.

**Francis44** · 6th October 2014, 11:14

0 crash and the moments after http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJK0AhLfxZQ.

Even the driver of the 0 car instead of warning Ogier she stays beside the car holding the plate.

**noel157** · 6th October 2014, 11:42

Well, that was well organised.... Le Cop seemed to know what he was doing.....not.

**Rallyper** · 6th October 2014, 12:20

A big congrat to JML winning on asphalt and learned the lesson! He´s a complete driver as said and will challenge Ogier next year!

Talking about complete drivers I think we must mention Pontus Tidemand who really can put complete surfaces driver on his CV. Snow, gravel or tarmac doesn´t matter for him. Any other upcomer showing those skills atm?

**WUff1** · 6th October 2014, 12:24

All running around like crazy chickens *facepalm*

**Mirek** · 6th October 2014, 12:27

Originally Posted by dimviii

this noise is from drivetrain when blocking the wheels with brakes with some gear engaged.
No abs at wrc cars,impossible to brake at loose surfaces and bumpy roads(gravel/mud/snow/wet tarmac etc)

Some time a go somebody told me that Armin Schwarz was using ABS in Fabia WRC for wet asphalt conditions. I think I heard that also Seat Cordoba WRC had ABS but I guess that it wasn't used a lot...

**Mintexmemory** · 6th October 2014, 12:44

Originally Posted by noel157

Well, that was well organised.... Le Cop seemed to know what he was doing.....not.

I've said before, the FIA need to get serious about the way in which WRC events are marshalled with a specification of how many TRAINED (with a min spec for that) marshals per km (or whatever criterion is appropriate) should be available.
We've seen the hired security fiasco in Germany and now this with les flics in France. The gendarmes are not happy or oriented towards a marshalling role, only being there for crowd control, and the local marshals I've seen in France in the past year treat their role as a perk of being in a local car club in getting the best vantage points regardless of run-off zone. At least they aren't as bad as the Spanish marshals who use a whistle like traffic cops to tell spectators they can't walk on the course - 2 hours before the 0 car! We may not be perfect in GB but we are streets ahead of every country I've ever spectated in.

**wwbroe** · 6th October 2014, 13:03

Originally Posted by Rallyper

A big congrat to JML winning on asphalt and learned the lesson! He´s a complete driver as said and will challenge Ogier next year!

Talking about complete drivers I think we must mention Pontus Tidemand who really can put complete surfaces driver on his CV. Snow, gravel or tarmac doesn´t matter for him. Any other upcomer showing those skills atm?

I know of one certainly, he is Dutch and his name is Kevin Abbring!!!

**Francis44** · 6th October 2014, 13:04

Also, it's pretty easy to blame the cops but they are specifically told to not let anyone on the road whatever the problem is. If something happens to any spectator the cops in the area will be held responsible for that.

What drives me crazy in this video is the driver of the 0 car, she runs around like a chicken not doing anything. Plus when Ogier is aproaching she stands in front of the crashed DS3 signaling Ogier as his way past the danger.