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    IMHO it's pity they run the PS only over the main road from Saint Jean to Saint Laurent. The best road I drove there (and possibly of all RMC roads I drove) was from Col de Braus over Col de l'Ablé to Peira Cava as it was run in IRC 2009 or often in Rallye d'Antibes.
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    Capito saying the drivers only take money out of the sport therefore shouldn't be listened too, try telling that to any none VW driver! Osberg, Prokop, Mikkelsen etc have spent millions to get to their level I imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    IMHO it's pity they run the PS only over the main road from Saint Jean to Saint Laurent. The best road I drove there (and possibly of all RMC roads I drove) was from Col de Braus over Col de l'Ablé to Peira Cava as it was run in IRC 2009 or often in Rallye d'Antibes.
    I agree, it's a shame to go trough this Col de Braus, the road is too wide, similar as road used for the PS last year. I also like Col de l'Ablé, they could have done it then trough col St Roch to go to La Bollène for the Turini stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doon View Post
    Capito saying the drivers only take money out of the sport therefore shouldn't be listened too, try telling that to any none VW driver! Osberg, Prokop, Mikkelsen etc have spent millions to get to their level I imagine.
    Earlier I have said that the management and even the engineers such as Loriaux express, possibly unconsciously, serious contempt for the drivers when they say crap like "should listen to them'...
    You know in language we say something simple, let's say, "that grass is green"

    That states explicitly (clearly) THAT grass is green..

    But at the same time it implicity says a ton of other things we all understand---because its a simple statement.
    It states "that grass is green but this grass over there is brown.."
    aslo "THAT grass is NOT RED" "That grass is not purple" and on and on..

    Loriaux said some years ago---in his Subaru days when discussing car set up---"We really can't pay much attention to the drivers, they can't begin to comprehend the workings of all these OOOOOoooooooOOOOh so complicated systems (and may as well say "because they are little pea brained monkeys and I am a genius and hang out with God in my spare time, that's how smart I am"..His intent was clear, and I was seriously shocked..
    I have worked with good motorsport engineers and designers and they used to really grill me with serious series of questions... To the point--since I wasn't that good really---that I asked once "Why do you ask ME, I'm not that fast?" The answer was "Ok but you are OK fast and you are very analytical and you will talk"..
    That was a bit surprising cause I was only 25 but in that sport (moto-cross) guys tend to be younger.

    That was respect, and I respected his answers to my question--

    Loriaux and now this Capito schmuck clearly have contempt for the drivers...

    Bugger 'em.
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    Probably Capito said that about the drivers in different context....

    Anyway I think this proposition can only be judged good or bad after some practical application. I'm not ready to judge it now. The theory may be sound in some aspects, in others bad, but until applied in practice, it is not very clear what could happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Probably Capito said that about the drivers in different context....

    Anyway I think until this proposition can only be judged good or bad after some practical application. I'm not ready to judge it now. The theory may be sound in some aspects, in others bad, but until applied in practice, it is not very clear what could happen.
    The WRC is supposed to be the pinnacle of the sport. It is not the place for trial and error about new things. If they are that desperate to advance with this shootout thing, try it first in lower championships and see what happens...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lousada View Post
    The WRC is supposed to be the pinnacle of the sport. It is not the place for trial and error about new things. If they are that desperate to advance with this shootout thing, try it first in lower championships and see what happens...
    And what "the pinnacle of the sport" proves for the last 10 years? 1 driver can dominate the others? Make the sport boring for average spectator because of this?

    The world crisis hit the sport heavily. No room for 5+ teams with 3 drivers each anymore. Something must be changed to make it more appealing. If that is the so called shout-out, I will accept it. And I'm not really interested in the "shoot-out" part, but the major concept of endurance in Rallying.
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    bring back acropolis rally to wrc calendar

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    another tourist in a WRC car.

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    I already knew Bertelli was going WRC car in 2015 He said at press conference at Rally Aus
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