Whats going to Happen at Mercedes

[555-04Q2]

What about the fans, do we shut up and get on with it too? Quiet is boring especially for a forum

We're allowed to make a fuss, we're not famous stars

[henners88]

Ah ok, Lewis you idiot calm down and spend your cash!

[555-04Q2]

Good idea

[555-04Q2]

Lewis has had some bad luck this season, but he's also been his own worst enemy for a few seasons now. He needs to focus again if he wants this championship.

[steveaki13]

Lewis has had some bad luck this season, but he's also been his own worst enemy for a few seasons now. He needs to focus again if he wants this championship.

Sadly this is the case.

He is just always involved. Which is a problem

[truefan72]

I prefer to see fair racing and the races being decided on the track, without psychogames, hissy fits or external influence be it FIA or press. Each his own lol

we all would like to see fair racing
but it seems one driver is bent on being unfair...namely Nico

so to me it is laughable that after monaco people say "it is what it is, stop whining Hamilton" let it happen on the track
knowing full well that monaco is impossible to pass with equal machinery. and anything short of a suicide divebomb ( like spa oddly enough) would be ridiculous to both team and driver

that was an "on track situation"

Same with spa, after he destroys his teammate's race, who btw was leading the race at that moment, and his closest WDC rival, on an on track stupid move that was cynical at best and probably deliberate at worst, folks like you are now saying " i wish hamilton would shut up and just race ,and have it decided on the track"
Well that is what he bloody well is trying to do, isn't it???

Nico knows he is no match for Hamilton in a fair fight and thus has resorted to these tactics
nevermind that he has benefitted from some horrendous luck on the part of Hamilton's car, and despite all that was just 11 points ahead.

If his car did not break down d in Australia, it would have been 5/5 for hamilton, and lets remember that monaco incident happened right after Hamilton won 4 in a row and was looking good for pole in Monaco and Nico did what he did to stop that momentum.

Now in Spa, hamilton beat him off the line in the start and Nico did what he did to stop him. I'm not sure what point he was trying to prove. Because the hungarian GP situation was ridiculous at all levels and the team acknowledged that afterwards. Being slower than his teammate and championship rival, not being able to be close enough to make a pass then whining and asking the team to have him pass him was just dumb. So if he was angry about that situation then he must be nuts that his championship rival won't slow down and let him pass so he can win the race and put him further ahead in points.

To me it seems like there is one driver trying to win his races and perform fairly and there is another guy who has a complete sense of undeserved entitlement (Nico) who is trying to win the championship unfairly.

I have stayed quiet over the pas few days just to observe and see where this conversation would go in these forums, and like a few others, tend to agree that the dislike for Hamilton, for whatever reason, seems to cloud many here in their opinion. Because I shudder to think about the vitriol and record breaking thread counts that would have happened crucifying hamilton if the situation were in reverse.

All you have to see is how folks responded in 2011 when he got into several racing incidents with massa and webber. Most poignantly how many were quick to blame him for all contacts with massa, and then defended webber in singapore despite turning into hamilton.

So lets see if monza can be a "fair race" and see what happens. With 8 races to go it will be tough, but I still think hamilton can do it.
But TBH i have absolutely no faith in Rosberg driving fair or not doing something else stupid that folks here will be quick to defend.

[Doc Austin]

It's hard to argue anything that Truefan72 had to say.

To me, it's pretty open and shut that you point the car the way you want it to go. I would not think the best way to approach the next corner, which was a left, would be to crank in full right lock. That is, unless your intention was to go to the right, which is where Hamilton was.

I have always admired the way Vettel won fair and never resorted to chopping, blocking or swerving. That's why it never bothered me that he was dominating. Right now he looks pretty ordinary, but of all of them, he would be the one I would worry about the least when going wheel to wheel. I have never seen him do anything unfair

Over the years I've seen Nico swerve the full width of the straight to block an opponent, so I am not surprised that he finally did something like this. Disappointed, certainly, but not surprised. Senna and then Schumacher drove like that for so long that it's become acceptable.

So now, because of Senna and Schumacher, we have a new generation of drivers who seem to think that anything you can get away with is ok, even if it is potentially deadly.

I can't pretend to know what Nico was thinking, but I also can't imagine where else he thought the car was going to go when he cranked the wheel over toward his teammate. There is no possible excuse for him to have done that. Even if he might contend he was trying to slot in behind, I can't believe a guy who is leading the world championship could misjudge a move on his own teammate/"friend" that damm badly.

Again, the best part of the story could have been the two friends having a sporting duel for the championship. Now it seems we are going to have a friendship ruined and a dirty championship. This is the legacy Senna and Schumacher have left for them.

[Rollo]

What about the fans, do we shut up and get on with it too? Quiet is boring especially for a forum

Isn't that ultimately what sport is actually for?
No we will not shut up and get on with it too. We will fight every argument beyond the point of stupidity.

Sport is basically the same as watching Neighbours, Game of Thrones, Fargo... the difference is that we can choose who our goodies and baddies are. Sport is the telling of stories, over and over again.

I think that Lewis is a bit of a whinger. The interest for me is what he does with his whinge.

[journeyman racer]

we all would like to see fair racing
but it seems one driver is bent on being unfair...namely Nico

lol

Same with spa, after he destroys his teammate's race, who btw was leading the race at that moment, and his closest WDC rival, on an on track stupid move that was cynical at best and probably deliberate at worst,

He may've kept his nose a split second longer than ideal, but it was not stupid, cynical or deliberate. If it was deliberate, it would not have been such faint contact. True fans of motorsport/F1 would be more annoyed that such a minor incident had significant consequences. But it's been made clear that you are not one of them. You are indeed a true fan of Hamilton

Nico knows he is no match for Hamilton in a fair fight and thus has resorted to these tactics

You are embarrassing yourself amongst true fans of motorsport/F1.

nevermind that he has benefitted from some horrendous luck on the part of Hamilton's car, and despite all that was just 11 points ahead.

It's not Nico's fault, Hamilton doesn't have the talent, the composure to handle a deteriorating car, like what Rosberg did at Canada. After all, they both had the same problem occur at the same time!

Or did you mean at Hungary. Where Hamilton's problems in qualifying actually benefitted him in the race. Rosberg was on his way to a win, before the unexpected, early safety car caught him out, and Hamilton took advantage of it.

Or did you mean at Silverstone. Where Rosberg stuffed up on his own in qualifying, ending up on the third row. He clawed his way to second in the race. Hamilton had been leading all the way and would've won, til halfway when his car broke down and Rosberg inherited the win. Silverstone is the only race this year, where the driver leading had a mechanical problem that took him out of the race.

If his car did not break down d in Australia, it would have been 5/5 for hamilton,

Rosberg was leading. Hamilton retired early. You don't know what would've happen. You are just making **** up, you true fan of theatre/Hamilton

Now in Spa,...But TBH i have absolutely no faith in Rosberg driving fair or not doing something else stupid that folks here will be quick to defend.

You wrote too much nonsense for me to bother with the rest.

Please! Somebody call the Waaaaaambulance now!

[journeyman racer]

It's hard to argue anything that Truefan72 had to say.

Fairly easy, tbh. Rationality is not a strong suit of his. Well it's actually a bit hard. He talks so much...

To me, it's pretty open and shut that you point the car the way you want it to go. I would not think the best way to approach the next corner, which was a left, would be to crank in full right lock. That is, unless your intention was to go to the right, which is where Hamilton was.

lol

Did you know?

Rosberg was turning the wheel right, to negotiate what was still a right hand bend?

Rosberg was running out of road?

There's a head on shot of the incident (all over the internet), right at the moment of impact, showing that both drivers were turning right?

Any other queries?