Whats going to Happen at Mercedes

[zako85]

Bernie must be truly satisfied the way things have unfolded this season. Guys who had sworn off the Formula 1 after the 2013 season are now tripping over their HDMI cables and DVR sets, trying to catch a replay of the Sundays race.

[donKey jote]

I overall see it as a racing incident to be honest. Though I feel Rosberg is to blame for most of it through his misjudgement.

Yep

I also feel Lewis is maybe a bit unwise going to the press like this.

Yep. It worked in 2007... almost!

[Tazio]

[airshifter]

Read your post and reverse the situation. If I stated that strongly that Lewis caused the accident on purpose and tried to kill Nico, would you find it a reasonable thing to state?

Read your own post please before asking me to reread mine. If you're going to make a statement like the above after asking me to reverse the situation and not expect me, or anyone, to take from it that you are suggesting that I implied Nico tried to kill Hamilton then you need to be more careful in your phrasing. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what the point of the above statement was now. Feel free to clarify.

Being you are bolding something and assuming you know how I would answer any question, I'm not even going to address this. You're living in a land where you think you understand another persons intentions better than they do. And in your mind those intentions must be biased against what you think, when in reality humans often simply don't agree.

He's a human being that already cheated in Monaco and, yes, I am accusing him of malicious intent. As for the beating of the ex girlfriends remark, I can't ever possibly think of a situation where someone beats another human being without intent. It's simply not in the same context. We're discussing something that a driver did to another driver. The question is whether there was intent. The answer is yes, there was, and that was clearly obvious from the moment it happened. Give me a logical explanation for the second turn of the wheel. Don't give me a "He couldn't have known he would hit Hamilton's tire" excuse. Rosberg is one of the best drivers in the world and knows exactly where his front wing is. Give me a proper explanation for turning in the second time please.

Your opening statement makes your existing bias apparent. And if you remove that bias, you would see how my comparison is similar. After a minor incident deemed by the stewards and FIA a racing incident, you have openly stated Nico intends to use his car as a weapon.

The logical explanation is in where the car is and where the car needs to go to make the corner. Nico was already well off line, and Lewis have him no room unless Nico aimed for the edge of the track.

As for the Alonso incident, I don't believe he intentionally hit Vettel. Why would he? Unlike Nico, he had nothing to gain. It was a rare mistake from the most complete driver on the grid. We've already seen that Nico is predisposed to cheating this year and he gained 18 points in the championship lead because of what happened. He had plenty to gain from Lewis's exit. Plus once Alonso committed there was noway out for him. Nico always had a way out.

So Alonso gets a pass when in fact there was not the slightest chance his car was going to fit where he tried to put it, but Nico is a premeditated assassin with a Mercedes weapon aimed at Lewis? I don't usually state things so bluntly, but I think you are living in an alternate reality if you think that is the case. If cutting a tire was so easy, surely of all drivers Alonso could have cut Vettels tire without trouble? Did Fred just miss the exact spot that cuts an oppenents tire and Nico is so good he nailed it?

There is never an advantage to damaging your own car this early in a season. Both Nico and Lewis had ways out, neither took the way out. The stewards and FIA have ruled based on the same data we have seen and probably data we have not.

[airshifter]

Now , look at the direction of Lewis's car .
At that point , he still can turn in far enough to allow room , but he's in too fast to do it .

Nico , at that point was pointed towards the narrowest apex he could take from there .

Lewis left no option but back out or be forced off , with a car only a tenth of second earlier , with it's wheel up beside his sidepod , mid-corner .

That's why they deemed it a driving incident .
Both were at fault .

Agreed. Nico had no choice but to either jump the curbs or try to tuck back in behind Lewis. They both screwed it up because neither gave an inch. Well actually on corner entry Nico did, correcting to the left slightly so as not to squeeze Lewis too hard.

What makes it worse is that many drivers this year have run multiple corners side by side. Alonso used all kinds of unusual lines and nobody belted into each other until that last dive when he hit Vettel. Why is it that other drivers can race harder yet remain so much cleaner and not cause collisions? Could it possibly be that both drivers at McLaren feel that they are entitled to make the other driver yield rather than just get on with some clean racing?

[Nem14]

Nico !

Coo ! Coo ! La ! Rue ! Dude ! ! ! !

Been there, done that in karting to also make a point with a chicken guano rival I had previously gone off the track to avoid contact with.
So I understand exactly what you were talking about in the cough! cough! 'closed door meeting'.

Lewis can't take what he dishes and needs to man up.

Get Lewis a gift - some cheese to go with his whine !

[henners88]

I overall see it as a racing incident to be honest. Though I feel Rosberg is to blame for most of it through his misjudgement. I also feel Lewis is maybe a bit unwise going to the press like this.

However Lewis is 29 points behind and probably needs to try some psychological games to put pressure on Nico. A world title is at stake.

If I were Lewis I would be doing all I could to put pressure on Rosberg

If I were Nico, I would be more than pleased with how the race went on Sunday. Alls fair in love and war unless you get penalised I guess

Lewis is just letting off some steam and trying to turn as many people against Rosberg as possible, I can't fault him for that. His race and potentially the championship has been ruined by a rookie mistake performed by Nico and the psychological stuff has to start now. He got inside Alonso's head in 2007 and Massa's the following year but I just hope it helps his chances on this one.

If one team mate is punting the other one off, we can hardly whine about a few comments in the press! lol Bring it on.

[zako85]

Lewis is just letting off some steam and trying to turn as many people against Rosberg as possible, I can't fault him for that. His race and potentially the championship has been ruined by a rookie mistake performed by Nico and the psychological stuff has to start now. He got inside Alonso's head in 2007 and Massa's the following year but I just hope it helps his chances on this one.

If one team mate is punting the other one off, we can hardly whine about a few comments in the press! lol Bring it on.

Rosberg is no rookie. Most or all of F1 drivers are alpha males. The problem with Rosberg is that he hasn't yet learned when to turn down his alpha for his own good. As for Hamilton, the opinion of a lot of fans has been that he should just shut up and race. There is a difference between letting off steam and playing psychological warfare through the press. The repercussions are huge. What Hamilton did is trying to label Rosberg as a cheater in the eyes of bystanders. A lot of people are already ready to label Rosberg as a cheater "because Hamilton said that Rosberg admitted.."

[Bagwan]

The question to ask now is whether Lewis got Nico's message .

Nem14 has the idea .

Mind you , Lewis didn't get the message sent by Nico when he said he had learned from the last race .
That was a race where , at the end , after being forced to stay behind , giving up a shot at victory , Nico was forced off by a Hamilton trying to keep third on his resultant trashed tires .

It was pretty obvious to me that Nico was not going to give up an outside move so easily any more .
He did prove a point .
Many of those defending Lewis , saying that the move to claim third instead of having his team mate a stab at winning is moot , are now seeing Ricciardo making Merc nervous only one race later .

Lewis never considered that Nico could be there , never slowing enough to have left room .
With Nico right beside him , sighted , he chose to assume Nico would back out .

Rather than backing out , Nico prepared to take the corner , and Hamilton took off his nose .
Mid-corner , with his front right beside Lewis's sidepod , Nico had every right to set up to take the corner outside of Lewis .


All that said , though , Lewis was ahead a split second later , and gained the right to take the corner .
However , he did it on an assumption I hope he knows he can no longer make .

[The Black Knight]

Being you are bolding something and assuming you know how I would answer any question, I'm not even going to address this. You're living in a land where you think you understand another persons intentions better than they do. And in your mind those intentions must be biased against what you think, when in reality humans often simply don't agree.

I'll take that as a submission on your part because you clearly don't know what the reverse of something is.

Your opening statement makes your existing bias apparent. And if you remove that bias, you would see how my comparison is similar. After a minor incident deemed by the stewards and FIA a racing incident, you have openly stated Nico intends to use his car as a weapon.

The logical explanation is in where the car is and where the car needs to go to make the corner. Nico was already well off line, and Lewis have him no room unless Nico aimed for the edge of the track.

Thanks you've just provide my point there. Hamilton was on the racing line, Nico was off the racing line. Enough said.

So Alonso gets a pass when in fact there was not the slightest chance his car was going to fit where he tried to put it, but Nico is a premeditated assassin with a Mercedes weapon aimed at Lewis? I don't usually state things so bluntly, but I think you are living in an alternate reality if you think that is the case. If cutting a tire was so easy, surely of all drivers Alonso could have cut Vettels tire without trouble? Did Fred just miss the exact spot that cuts an oppenents tire and Nico is so good he nailed it?

There is never an advantage to damaging your own car this early in a season. Both Nico and Lewis had ways out, neither took the way out. The stewards and FIA have ruled based on the same data we have seen and probably data we have not.

Lewis didn't have a way out, neither did Vettel. Alonso didn't have a way out after he committed to the corner. Nico had a way out, he could have done like many others did on Sunday (or Vettel on lap one) and gone across the kerb and kept his position. Instead he chose to do what he could take his tital rival out of the race and it succeeded. Unfortunately, it seems like nothing can bed one about this now. The FIA won't intervenve because no new information has been officially reported to them. The only hope here is that Mercedes bosses actually do something to properly punish Rosberg and reduce the gap back down.