Mercedes drivers told to obey team orders in future

[Mia 01]

No teamorder = the driver can do all strategi and planning by himself. In Lewis case this is maybe true, who am I to tell.

[dj_bytedisaster]

No teamorder = the driver can do all strategi and planning by himself. In Lewis case this is maybe true, who am I to tell.

IN Mercedes' view it wasn't a team order to change the result to a more favourable one. Lewis was on a two-stopper, ROS on a three-stopper, so all Lewis had to do was to stay within 20 secs of Nico. There had been a clear agreement at Merc - when the cars are on different strategies, they don't interfer with each other, and Lewis broke that agreement and cost ROS unneccessary time.

[driveace]

Where was that stated,that when they are on different strategies they don't interfere with each other ?Who told you about "The Clear Strategy" ? Paddy told Lewis to let Nico past,at no time did Lewis refuse to let him past at that point in the race .Lewis said "When he is near enough he can come past" But Nico was never near enough to take that advantage so really in that part of the race Nico was not held up .When Nico pitted and came out with new tyres,it was then a race to the finish ,and at this point there were NO team orders or requests to Lewis,and he defended his position to the end of the race as any RACING driver would have done in his position.
Nico,s problem seemed to be with Charlie bringing the safety car out ,in Nico,s eyes at the wrong time .But Charlie can see all the race on cameras where as Nico only see,s what's happening around him !

[Bagwan]

IN Mercedes' view it wasn't a team order to change the result to a more favourable one. Lewis was on a two-stopper, ROS on a three-stopper, so all Lewis had to do was to stay within 20 secs of Nico. There had been a clear agreement at Merc - when the cars are on different strategies, they don't interfer with each other, and Lewis broke that agreement and cost ROS unneccessary time.

I totally agree , dj , and fully believe Lewis was being a wee touch too paranoid .
They told him plainly that he'd destroy his tires racing Nico , yet he made sure he stayed ahead .
Even ol' one ear said they shouldn't have asked him to slow down to let his team mate past , when slowing down is exactly what they wanted , so he would have enough tires to battle near the end .
A little less wear and he might have been able to keep Ricciardo behind him , and have a stab at Fred for the win .

He clearly held his team mate behind to destroy his strategy , and destroyed his own at the same time , costing points , likely from both cars , for his team .
He pi$$ed off the team , and the team mate , for third .

But , he beat his team mate , so it was all worth it .
Sure it was . I'm tellin' ya .



By the way , dj , I think our Mia was trying to(maybe just a touch sarcastically) suggest that perhaps Lewis doesn't think he needs strategists , and can do it all himself .

[Storm]

The team doesn't give a flying expletive about that. Team interests come first as they are the ones who sign the paycheque.

But how were team interests threatened here? Lets say Hamilton gives way and Rosberg moves up but has to stop again - most likely ends up behing LH again after his stop. so no change for the team points there - infact Hamilton might well have moved up a place by then.

[henners88]

I totally agree , dj , and fully believe Lewis was being a wee touch too paranoid .
They told him plainly that he'd destroy his tires racing Nico , yet he made sure he stayed ahead .
Even ol' one ear said they shouldn't have asked him to slow down to let his team mate past , when slowing down is exactly what they wanted , so he would have enough tires to battle near the end .
A little less wear and he might have been able to keep Ricciardo behind him , and have a stab at Fred for the win .

He clearly held his team mate behind to destroy his strategy , and destroyed his own at the same time , costing points , likely from both cars , for his team .
He pi$$ed off the team , and the team mate , for third .

But , he beat his team mate , so it was all worth it .
Sure it was . I'm tellin' ya .



By the way , dj , I think our Mia was trying to(maybe just a touch sarcastically) suggest that perhaps Lewis doesn't think he needs strategists , and can do it all himself .

Considering Rosberg made the final stop and was hounding Hamilton at the end suggests Lewis made the right call. He kept his team mate behind him and prevented him from winning the race. Of course it was worth it. He closed the gap slightly in the championship and the team agreed he was right to stop Nico passing and they admitted they shouldn't have asked. Paranoid fans rather than paranoid drivers.

[Bagwan]

Considering Rosberg made the final stop and was hounding Hamilton at the end suggests Lewis made the right call. He kept his team mate behind him and prevented him from winning the race. Of course it was worth it. He closed the gap slightly in the championship and the team agreed he was right to stop Nico passing and they admitted they shouldn't have asked. Paranoid fans rather than paranoid drivers.

No , henners , they didn't say he was right .
They said they weren't happy with what he did , but understood why he did it .

Then , they explained to both guys that orders are to now be obeyed , though , only one guy really needed to be reminded .

[henners88]

No , henners , they didn't say he was right .
They said they weren't happy with what he did , but understood why he did it .

Then , they explained to both guys that orders are to now be obeyed , though , only one guy really needed to be reminded .

They didn't word it by saying they were wrong directly , but they said they shouldn't have asked it. Interpret that how you will.

Toto Wolf: "We cannot expect the drivers in the second half of the season to move over for their main competitor."

Spin it all against Hamilton all you like, you usually do.

[Bagwan]

Zetsche says this :
"It is true, however, that Rosberg and Hamilton are not to impede each other with different strategies -- for example two stops versus three stops ."

I couldn't find you the "not happy" quote , but that's a good one , isn't it ?

By the way , it's Lewis that spun , not me .
He's the one who caused this controversy by following only the orders that suited him .

And , that was a cheap shot , by the way , as you know full well that I will rail against anyone not following team orders .




They told him three times to move over .

[henners88]

It wasn't a cheap shot and there is no controversy. Things didn't work out for Nico and he was unhappy initially. They have moved on and the points gap closed a little. I hope they continue to fight for the championship without the team trying to manipulate the finishing positions. We want to see racing, not drivers waving each other through to give away points.

End of fabricated saga, onto Spa.