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    He made no good points at all.

    " team orders being useless and unnecessary" - Wrong. Team orders are a not useless. They enable the team/constructor/manufacturer to maximise their results.

    "Those drivers are more like partners to their team " - Wrong. They are not partners, unless they have a stake in the team. Drivers are there for their own benefit, and the team/constructor/manufacturer's take advantage of this notion for their own benefit. They are employees, but are not subject to typical conditions of employment.

    "at least 2 of the MSC WDc's rather hollow as he was unchallenged" - Laughable

    "Especially when it was done to favor one driver at the detriment to his closest rival, who drove a better race to that point and was asked to effectively slow down" - Was not asked to slow down. Hamilton tinfoil hat brigade at full bore.

    "team orders are always to the benefit of one driver rather than the actual team in 95% of the incidents." - Wrong. Team orders do benefit one driver, so that the team benefits, 100% of the time.

    "lets take massa/alonso incident form Germany" - Fair dinkum, imagine bringing this up? Even a person who has no interest in F1, could understand that scenario. Alonso was still a chance to win the WDC. Massa was not. However, Alonso was sufficiently far enough behind, that he needed everything to go his way til the end of the season. It was clear. Massa as a little fortunate to be in front in the first place, due to the awkward positioning of Alonso and Vettel in the first corner. Ferrari had gone overboard with team orders in Austria 02, but it was a fair and reasonable moment to ask for team orders to be implemented in Germany 10.

    In the absence of any serious chance Ferrari had of winning the WCC, it was to their benefit that they kept Alonso's chances of winning the WDC. Even a person who has no interest in motorsport, can understand that. But apparently "the fans" don't get it.

    Just a complete failure to understand that it's the team/constructor/manufacturer, the entrant, that participates in a "motor race". The drivers is there for the car/team, not the car/team is there for the driver.

    Some people just don't get it. I suspect because it interferes with their romantic, theatrical notion of motorsport. There's a grey area with team orders. There are grey areas just with motorsport. The fact that it has to be explained, is further proof of people just not having the understanding of the higher/est levels of motorsport. It's because the "theatregoing" F1 fan exists, that F1 gets more and more cheapened. It's ridiculous.

    The driver is there for the car. Not the car is there for the driver.
    Last edited by journeyman racer; 2nd August 2014 at 13:22.

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