Lars Vilks gets the muslim free speech treatment

[Eki]

Then it must belong to the Ottoman Empire then? But we have a logical problem. The Ottoman Empire was a beaten and thwarted power in 1923. Currently it does not exist.

Now what?
Remember you need to clarify what you are saying, and do it within the logic of history.

That international law was written after 1923, actually after 1947, otherwise Russia for example should return the areas it took from Finland and settled with its own citizens, so it doesn't apply to the Ottoman Empire or Russia. But it was written before 1967, so it applies to Israel and to the territories it occupies (so called Occupied Territories).

[Easy Drifter]

So Iraq would have had to give back Kuwait without being invaded in the first Gulf war and Argentina give back to the Falklands to the UK without the UK recapturing them.
Sure Eki sure.

[Eki]

So Iraq would have had to give back Kuwait without being invaded in the first Gulf war and Argentina give back to the Falklands to the UK without the UK recapturing them.
Sure Eki sure.

They should have, if they had obeyed the international law, but they most likely wouldn't have done it. Just like Israel won't give back the Occupied Territories without the Palestinians and their allies fighting for it.

[Rollo]

But it was written before 1967, so it applies to Israel and to the territories it occupies (so called Occupied Territories).

Right then, so you are suggesting that the land belongs to Jordan now? Because Palestine didn't exist as a separate nation in 1967. Palestine unilaterally declared itself in 1988.

So then, the first question stands again:
Tell me again how a unilaterally declared territory has precedence over a UN Sanctioned agreement?

You didn't answer this before, so we followed the events based on your logic and have come back to the same point.

[markabilly]

They should have, if they had obeyed the international law, but they most likely wouldn't have done it. Just like Israel won't give back the Occupied Territories without the Palestinians and their allies fighting for it.

so that clearly justifies killing cartoonists for making fun of the prophet pedo

[chuck34]

So Eki when exactly in history does everything stop, in your opinion? 1917, 1948, 1967, or when?

I'm just wondering because apparently in your twisted little world NOTHING can ever change. As such I'm just wondering if you should be part of Sweden or a part of Russia.

[Eki]

So Eki when exactly in history does everything stop, in your opinion? 1917, 1948, 1967, or when?

I'm just wondering because apparently in your twisted little world NOTHING can ever change.

No, that's your world, where you think Jews have an automatic right to move to Israel, just because their ancestors lived there thousands or at least hundreds of years ago. Or Rollo's world, where it should belong to the Ottoman Empire, because they lived there 1923. In my world people are just expected to obey the current laws and not some old scriptures that talk about a "promised land" and they shouldn't have any special treatment because someone tried to exterminate them almost 70 years ago.

[markabilly]

No, that's your world, where you think Jews have an automatic right to move to Israel, just because their ancestors lived there thousands or at least hundreds of years ago. Or Rollo's world, where it should belong to the Ottoman Empire, because they lived there 1923. In my world people are just expected to obey the current laws and not some old scriptures that talk about a "promised land" and they shouldn't have any special treatment because someone tried to exterminate them almost 70 years ago.

yeah eki, you go boy, and tell him to be whacking those nasty cartoonists....

[Eki]

As such I'm just wondering if you should be part of Sweden or a part of Russia.

I'd prefer Sweden. Someone has suggested that Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland should unite like in the Kalmar Union (1397–1523). I think it might actually be a good idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmar_Union

[Rollo]

Or Rollo's world, where it should belong to the Ottoman Empire, because they lived there 1923.

No.

My world view on the is that the Jews belong there because it was given to them, based on a promise (namely Balfour), both because of their cultural heritage and because of historical events.

And somehow, you also have forgotten that the majority of Jews living there weren't post WW2 Europeans, but decendents of pre-WW2 diaspora returning, ex-Yemenite Jews and their decendents and the nearly 1 million Jews who returned from Arabic countries.

Most Jews in Arab lands eventually immigrated to the modern State of Israel, and by 2003 they and their offspring, (including those of mixed linage) comprised 3,136,436 people, or about 61% of Israel's Jewish population.

Sorry, but you have severely failed to grasp history.