Nascar no longer uses a rule book

[muggle not]

Stupid mover by Tony and his crew chief to stay out on the track. They not only screwed themselves but took out a bunch of other contenders.
i'll bet there is a vote up tomorrow on who won the race and Bowyer will get the most votes hands down.

[e2mtt]

WOW.

NASCAR just make CRAP up these days. First, absolutly right, Tony should have won. He had it when the rain hit, and as darkness rolled in, NASCAR knew they couldn't finish the race distance well before they restarted it.

But then they restarted, and REALLY screwed Boyer. He should be looking at his second chase win. But no, they to go and award the win to a guy who ran out of fuel under caution before he took the checker??? What the...!!!! It was only 2? months ago that Robby Gordon was ordered back 15 spots for "not maintaining pace" at Montreal.

Absolutly unreal. Rule book in pencil? HA. Decided on the spot, and tonight Helton was drunk.

Here is a serious point: it has gotten bad enough that NASCAR needs to be put on notice by somebody (Congress, the Nevada Gaming Commision, whoever polices things like this) that they are going to only be considered "entertainment" (like pro-wrestling & Survivor) and not actual "sports events" like football, baseball, or golf.

[Hoss Ghoul]

and nascar fans wonder why others question if it is on the level or not.

NASCAR fans are the ones who started and have always questioned things like this.

I'd say 95% of the time a strange call is on the level, the other 5% is incompetence, idiocy, ego, and $$$$. Not much worse than what goes on in any sport(or racing series) at that rate.

[muggle not]

Totally disagree. This is the chase and the race should not be prematurely called. There was absolutely no reason to call the race and they were right to continue to a point of darkness and then call it.

[Hoss Ghoul]

Totally disagree. This is the chase and the race should not be prematurely called. There was absolutely no reason to call the race and they were right to continue to a point of darkness and then call it.

I agree with you. The distance they set(lap 25) would have made for over 70 laps of racing, so, at least one more pit stop...that is a long enough period to see it as a natural conclusion to the race. The drivers have some responsibility here too, and they F'ed it up on the first lap back under green racing like idiots 3 wide on a green track.

The only calls I don't like by NASCAR here was the decision to not have a GWC(as that is standard procedure) and to overlook and/or have an unclear rule as it relates to Bifle's inability to maintain a proper speed under caution.

The reason this is all so clear is the obvious fact that Bifle should NOT have been the winner in the "moral" sense, due to the above mentioned circumstances and the inference that he clearly would not have been able to run the last 4 laps if Montoya had not brought out a caution. That is slightly immaterial, but it cannot help but to color everyone's perception of the race.

[muggle not]

That really pretty well sums it up.

I agree with you. The distance they set(lap 25) would have made for over 70 laps of racing, so, at least one more pit stop...that is a long enough period to see it as a natural conclusion to the race. The drivers have some responsibility here too, and they F'ed it up on the first lap back under green racing like idiots 3 wide on a green track.

The only calls I don't like by NASCAR here was the decision to not have a GWC(as that is standard procedure) and to overlook and/or have an unclear rule as it relates to Bifle's inability to maintain a proper speed under caution.

The reason this is all so clear is the obvious fact that Bifle should NOT have been the winner in the "moral" sense, due to the above mentioned circumstances and the inference that he clearly would not have been able to run the last 4 laps if Montoya had not brought out a caution. That is slightly immaterial, but it cannot help but to color everyone's perception of the race.

[truefan72]

I have never commented on the NASCAR thread but this Biffle incident is beyond ridiculous. He couldn't maintain the pace car speed and ran out of gas. What was the rest of the field supposed to do, follow him at 25 mph ?

ridiuculous

he shouldn't have won

NASCAR with immediate effect needs to set a minimum pace speed

[harvick#1]

I can't believe Biffle even quoted saying that he could've passed the pace car if he wanted too. what total BS his car was out of fuel and couldn't be refired.

[MD24]

http://www.nascar.com/POLLSERVER/results/34670.html

[call_me_andrew]

WTF is cautious pace?

Cautious pace: No faster than the pace car, but still traveling forward. It doesn't matter if he's crossing the line on the starter motor. As long as he can finish with out a push, he wins.

Biffle is still moving forward, thus voiding any one's attempt to pass.