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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    Completely agree, if that footage is genuinely the incident and nothing was said that's inaudible.

    You've got in that video that the scrutineer who reported it was the one checking the driver's side, who said he was attempting to expose himself. He's wearing overalls which are zipped up to his chin. It's her job to know how they work - and that they would normally be zipped up at that point if he hadn't got out the car, isn't it?

    Genuinely believe his hands are readjusting his clothing for comfort, he does it right up to his collar too. Nothing malicious there.

    As for the comment, he could be joking with the codriver about the invasive nature of the checks. Or could be wishful quoting of what he wants to hear from the scrutineer. I'm not sure.

    DSQ is too heavy punishment for small throwaway comment, which was also misreported, but if both parties agreed that what was reported happened without the video to see, then what are the stewards to do?

    Not sure the scrutineers have been too clever with that report.
    you really misread all the thing. just check the official statement, the driver himself ammitted his behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyler View Post
    you really misread all the thing. just check the official statement, the driver himself ammitted his behaviour.
    You really misread my post, particularly paragraphs 1 and 5.

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    I dont feel sorry for this driver, its unacceptal behavior, whatever some here think.
    We are sivilisazed people, not monkeys.
    Atleast in northern europe...

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    Racist comments surrounding skin colour do not belong on this forum, it's unacceptable behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    Racist comments surrounding skin colour do not belong on this forum, it's unacceptable behaviour.
    Was this racist?
    How?

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    Skarderud called people of southern Europe 'monkeys' whilst seen to be making a monkey gesture.

    Skarderud did not dispute the report, nor did he show an understanding of how his behaviour caused offence.

    Skarderud will be banned from the forum for one week. He has a right to appeal, and must indicate the desire to do so within 1 hour of this post. That indication is a legal commitment to pay the €4000 non-refundable appeal fee plus €3000 deposit refundable on success of appeal. We don't care if he had a long day and is already fast asleep in bed. BTW, the appeal will only be looked at after the ban expires, and by which time the entire internet will think he's a racist anyway.

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    BS scandal from nowhere.

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    Thanks!

    I didnt call anyone monkey, my point is we are human beeings, NOT monkeys, so this type of behavior is unacceptal.

    Last time i cheched, my colour of skin is eksactly the same as most european.
    Im also ekstremely long away to be a racist, its ridicolous to claim me for that. I give jobs to both polish an syrian people, im also a member of amnesty international.

    I know some east european people have a rough language, i correct my employees quite hard if something shows up, i also know that some people there thinks "woke" is bs. Ans "woke" is everything they dont like, or if someone corrects theire behaviour.

    Please, ban me for 1 week, i dont care,but its quite exaggerated and out of every normal proposion.





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    And, these fines, in what juridicsium is they placed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skarderud View Post
    And, these fines, in what juridicsium is they placed?
    That's the FIA appeals process. Roughly the right € without checking, point is it's easier to destroy people than they can defend it. I've seen many times people in authority use a system to destroy people. If you support Amnesty International maybe you should put a closer consideration on this IMO. You said:

    Quote Originally Posted by skarderud View Post
    I dont feel sorry for this driver, its unacceptal behavior, whatever some here think.
    We all know the alleged behaviour is unacceptable, but you don't have any clear proof, comment or reason that the driver did the unacceptable behaviour.

    The only thing to go off is the stewards document but here's where I'm sceptical, Kolcak and his team didn't sign it, so for me it's inadmissible as evidence to what he actually allegedly agreed to in the hearing anyway, and he's also not directly quoted. That's pretty irregular.

    That was published 2.5hrs after the hearing, which took place 6-8hrs (?) after the incident. Sorry but no humans are this perfect - driver, scrutineers, CoC, stewards. I'm assuming nobody had the benefit of the video, imagine being asked to precisely recall something you passively said/did 6-8 hrs ago. It could easily lead you to apologise for any inadvertent offence caused without fully understanding the circumstances that an apology could turn out to be a full admission of guilt to something else you don't agree to. Had the stewards said "if you agree that this is what happened you will be DSQ and your reputation will be in tatters", do you think he would have agreed to it? If so why the protest? Even the steward who wrote the hearing document might be struggling to remember what was precisely said.

    As an example point, you've just accepted your ban when I baselessly said you made a monkey gesture.

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    Well, this is quite far off.
    Have i done/write anything against you before?
    Find this way of "banning" quite weird.

    Are you a friend of this driver?

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