WRC mainclass from 2027

[WRCStan]

If they said no, we'll continue with our Rally2 car, where would the new Regs be ?

Still going ahead. The new regs are to steer the entire sport away from production car manufacturers altogether.

Watch this question and answer. https://youtu.be/I6-oOz8aDxE?t=4779

"The reason you can't carry on with [Rally2] is because the manufacturers aren't making those cars anymore. The homologations will run out and nobody's making those cars. So you must go to a spaceframe - you'll be surprised at how cheap those will be if we do them in big production volumes and they won't cost a lot of money" - David Richards.

[wyler]

It's plain English to me, I don't think I misread it. It might no longer be true or changed, I don't know.

“there’s a specific chapter that tells you how to build an engine for the championship”

But there's no reason why there's a guide on 'how to build a production engine for the championship' if the rules are for using a production engine common to Rally2 that belong in Group A surely? All you need in the WRC2027 regs is a simple statement - "use an engine homologated in Group A".

Maybe it's the specs of 'the Rally2 engine as basis' as we quite often read, so might be able to be built in the small volumes. That's the key point, not the specs.

again... "how to build an engine for the championship" doesn't mean you can build it from scratch or that is entirely new. it's not. there are rules on how to build it, and those rules -even for 27- point to existing specs and production related piece. that's it. of course they have to write it in the paper. no way a tech regulation can write "look at the previous one". they have to state all the things.

to further clarify, this is from dirtfish:
Engine
The engine will run at Rally2 specification, generating 300bhp. There is some discussion of another engine alternative, with Mestelan saying: “For the Rally2 engine, it’s already decided, this is already validated by the World [Motor Sport] Council, this is one option. There is also discussion to introduce a production-based engine based on production cars. It has to be refined with our manufacturers to know if we will validate this concept or not in addition to the current one. The aim here is to achieve power at a lower cost. [...]


source: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-...c-2027-so-far/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Still going ahead. The new regs are to steer the entire sport away from production car manufacturers altogether.

Watch this question and answer. https://youtu.be/I6-oOz8aDxE?t=4779

"The reason you can't carry on with [Rally2] is because the manufacturers aren't making those cars anymore. The homologations will run out and nobody's making those cars. So you must go to a spaceframe - you'll be surprised at how cheap those will be if we do them in big production volumes and they won't cost a lot of money" - David Richards.

Really ? Hyundai now confirm theyll likely build a new i20 Rally2 for 2027 ...

Benoit Nogier, customer racing manager, told DirtFish: “We can re-homologate a complete car based on the current street car. We have now this opportunity and we still want to improve the car, we still want to move forward, even if it’s not confirmed at 100%, we will probably launch the development of big evolutions ready for 2027."

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...-car-for-2027/

[deephouse]

Based on that article i20 Rally2 is a great car on tarmac. How the hell they did so wrong with their top car this year?

[wyler]

Based on that article i20 Rally2 is a great car on tarmac. How the hell they did so wrong with their top car this year?

chassis?

[WRCStan]

again...

There's no FIA source I can find directly saying they have to come from production runs nor be already homologated Rally2. All the language is 'base' and 'basis' as in tech spec and power-level philosophy. Until this is made clear I'll remain open to the possibility I can build 10 engines to Rally2 tech specs in my shed.

There's also the possibility that what goes for 2027/2028 isn't the long term. Because moving away from relying on manufacturers building cars to relying on manufacturer to power the new cars makes 0 sense.

[WRCStan]

Really ? Hyundai now confirm theyll likely build a new i20 Rally2 for 2027 ...

Benoit Nogier, customer racing manager, told DirtFish: “We can re-homologate a complete car based on the current street car. We have now this opportunity and we still want to improve the car, we still want to move forward, even if it’s not confirmed at 100%, we will probably launch the development of big evolutions ready for 2027."

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/hyund...-car-for-2027/

DR's point is the i20 N went out of production a few years ago. They can and probably will extend the homologation, but that is hardly a boon for WRC unless it becomes a historic championship.

[doubled1978]

The rumours of the EU kicking the switch to EV’s into the long grass and also some noise about smaller cars like the i20 being able to be sold without all the ADAS systems to keep the prices sensible, may actually be of benefit to the WRC as manufactures will hopefully again have suitable cars to promote. It’s all if’s, but’s and maybe’s until anything gets officially announced, but if those things come to pass, it could be good rallying.

[deephouse]

Suitable cars? There will all be suitable from 2027 forward. No excuses from brands about ''body shape''. As history proves, every shape did somehow work at some point (there were Lancers, 037's, Mini...). And somehow I have a feeling that everyone will still use this B segment cars, as this is proven currently the best... Except everyone will build SUV's (which I wouldn't be surprised at all).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

DR's point is the i20 N went out of production a few years ago. They can and probably will extend the homologation, but that is hardly a boon for WRC unless it becomes a historic championship.

The N may have gone (still on sale in Australasia ?) but the i20 is still on sale.

And if the spaceframe is so cheap and easy, Hyundai still dont build one due to:

"...the big number that we all need to really pay attention to, it is the running cost. It’s maybe OK to build a car for €345,000 euros, but maybe on those €345,000 cars, if a door costs €10,000, this is not acceptable in the customer world. And this is really what we need to pay attention to. What will be the price for the dampers? For the under-protection of the car? We consume all those parts quite a lot on Rally2. And we have to be cost efficient."