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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    Don't forget this car also replaces Rally2 until 2037, that market is huge so there are other incentives.
    Fair point.

    And maybe M-Sport and Toyota would just build the new cars to sell or hire to any individual or team who wants one. No more Manufacturer team entries.

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    Toyota's Tom Fowler has his say and seems to confirm Toyota will be in 2027 with an official team car entry.

    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/why-w...or-privateers/

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    so the tubeframe construction will become a good business opportunity in rallying, right? dallara can start building tubeframes to sell to anyone, for example. good

    can other brands (illmor, cosworth, judd...?) start building 1.6l turbo engines to sell or these 'rally2' engines are restricted to some homologated road models? im asking because idk how that works. theres no infos out there, sure, but some of you usually have more infos than what i can find on articles

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    Only one real team in WRC, still. Toyota accepting everything FIA throws at them. Hyundai (again) whining and try to change to their liking, but we all know they will leave anyway (just making excuses, so they don't look bad at the end), and M-Sport being just there (if), of course still the most loyal team.

    Also I'm rooting for Skoda - they actualy build crossover concept car based on rally2 fabia tech. It could be, that they are playing with stick in the water...

    Then Subaru. They announced that they will probably build next WRX car or something, so it could be their opportunity to showcase it the proper way...

    And then Lancia. If thing will be really ''this cheap'', why not. I think that they could convince Stellantis bosses to enter the stages as they should.

    For tuners I don't know. Only one comes to mind is Prodrive... And Paddon with his team, which showed some interest.

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    Will these new cars still have the silly aero from Rally 1s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I still dont buy it.

    If M-Sport decide to build a 'Ford Puma' version of a '27 Reg car and Toyota build a version of their Yaris or Corolla to the new Regs, which new manufacturer or tuner will believe they can build a car to beat them ?

    The recent top rally experience these Teams have is huge and in Toyota's case they have vast resources too. Trying to compete with them, let alone beat them, will be a thankless task for anyone.
    I can see these regs bringing in more manufacturers but maybe not private tuners. Who’s going to pay for it? The reason private teams can exist in F1 is that there is prize money, which I believe isn’t the case in WRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saco0o View Post
    can other brands (illmor, cosworth, judd...?) start building 1.6l turbo engines to sell or these 'rally2' engines are restricted to some homologated road models? im asking because idk how that works. theres no infos out there, sure, but some of you usually have more infos than what i can find on articles
    We need more official info, there's been next to none whether it's Rally2 or otherwise.

    I think they should liberate it to the smaller builders, given the mass-production manufacturers have been told to stop producing them. And if they do start looking at EV tech, should that be expected to be production based? Unlikely. The hybrid kit from Compact Dynamics wasn't used elsewhere either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saco0o View Post
    so the tubeframe construction will become a good business opportunity in rallying, right? dallara can start building tubeframes to sell to anyone, for example. good

    can other brands (illmor, cosworth, judd...?) start building 1.6l turbo engines to sell or these 'rally2' engines are restricted to some homologated road models? im asking because idk how that works. theres no infos out there, sure, but some of you usually have more infos than what i can find on articles
    Engine homologation is based on use in series production road cars, but it is possible to homologate just the engine for use in things like F3 racing where the cars have to have a road car based engine. The full lists of FIA homologations are detailed on this page https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/760. If you look at the lists you will see some are shown "Homologation Valid Only for Engine".

    This spaceframe formula might give Hyundai a way to get out of building & entering WRC cars but staying in the championship by letting Paddon build & enter them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Boyd View Post
    Engine homologation is based on use in series production road cars, but it is possible to homologate just the engine for use in things like F3 racing where the cars have to have a road car based engine. The full lists of FIA homologations are detailed on this page https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/760. If you look at the lists you will see some are shown "Homologation Valid Only for Engine".
    But nothing to say yet that this will carry on to WRC27.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Boyd View Post
    This spaceframe formula might give Hyundai a way to get out of building & entering WRC cars but staying in the championship by letting Paddon build & enter them.
    How is WRC27 different to anything that came prior? Such as the M-Sport and Ford relationship. Several people have said this now but AFAICS, there's nothing new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    Then Subaru. They announced that they will probably build next WRX car or something, so it could be their opportunity to showcase it the proper way...

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