New R4 Car - Think Tank

[AdvEvo]

R4 kit PDF

http://www.akis.is/wp-content/upload...ette_R4_EN.pdf

[Sulland]

Have Oreca buildt a prototype/testmule and started practical testing on the R4 kit yet?

If it is to available in August it should be testcars for potential customers to try out.

[Mirek]

For sure they could not developed the kit without testing. That's impossible.

[Sulland]

For sure they could not developed the kit without testing. That's impossible.

He He!
Stupid questions deserves stupid answers.

Any reports on the testing, one the mule they must have made?

[br21]

First tests planned soon...

[Mirek]

That doesn't sound like they are on schedule, aren't they?

[Rally Power]

The FIA/Oreca R4 deal is a bit strange, to say the least. The kit seems to be based on Argentina’s Maxi Rally (dampers aside, as teams are free to choose them), so there’s no justification for the delays. But the most intriguing thing is to have just one R4 kit supplier. A single supplier can make sense for only one country (like Baratec in Argentina) but even in the Asia Pacific region the AP4 cars (yes, they’re different from R4 but they share the regs spirit) can be made by different tuners. The mandatory Oreca kit in Europe (also on ERC and WRC) can become a limitation for R4 category.

Btw, the R4 Clio from Renault Spain is, for now, a N5 (spanish MR version), built by RMC and expected to start at the next CERA event (Ferrol). The ‘real’ Clio R4 debut date is unknown.


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[Andre Oliveira]

Oreca R4 kit presentation: https://youtu.be/-DF_u-Fou6c

[Rally Power]

R4 kit PDF
http://www.akis.is/wp-content/upload...ette_R4_EN.pdf

Just took a quick look; apparently the kit costs €108.000 (without taxes) and doesn’t include several components (dampers, cockpit items, exhaust, radiator, chassis panels, electrical system and many other necessary parts) that are sold as “options”. To those the costumer also has to add the donor car cost, the kit installation work hours and other administrative expenses.

It doesn’t seem hard to imagine that the 108K value is a joke and a ready to rally R4 will probably cost close (over?) to 200K. It’s also a mystery how will Oreca manage to satisfy a potential worldwide demand, supplying in time enough kits to costumers.

The R4 is needed and the use of a kit is a smart option, but to have a single supplier seems to be a recipe to disaster.

[Sulland]

Just took a quick look; apparently the kit costs €108.000 (without taxes) and doesn’t include several components (dampers, cockpit items, exhaust, radiator, chassis panels, electrical system and many other necessary parts) that are sold as “options”. To those the costumer also has to add the donor car cost, the kit installation work hours and other administrative expenses.

It doesn’t seem hard to imagine that the 108K value is a joke and a ready to rally R4 will probably cost close (over?) to 200K. It’s also a mystery how will Oreca manage to satisfy a potential worldwide demand, supplying in time enough kits to costumers.

The R4 is needed and the use of a kit is a smart option, but to have a single supplier seems to be a recipe to disaster.

Maybe 100 000 € is not a lot of money for FIA employees, but for many others that are club or national level drivers, it is.

How Oreca made FIA buy into that a reasonable price for the kit is 108 000€ is very good work from their side.

The Dytko kit-car, for less than half, is more in line with with what the market will be willing to pay!