Canada 2116

[The Black Knight]

But they caused the hillarious interview with Seb and Lewis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpYeiQmgq70

First time I had seen that interview - thanks for the link. I usually watch all the Sky coverage post race but wasn't able to on Sunday. It's great to see that kind of relationship between two top drivers. I've noticed over the last year that Hamilton and Vettel always seem to get on quite well and it's great to see.

[henners88]

The problem was that Merc were starting 1 and 2 and probably fuelled their cars for running up front. Nobody expected Rosberg to be stuck in traffic, but Lewis changed that in T1.

Yeah it ended working well for Lewis and I felt it was a dominant drive at a crucial stage in the season. Canada has always been one of Hamilton's better tracks and one where if he's behind he usually finds his way through.

Lewis is historically the stronger of the two mentally and I feel we could be in for a treat this year. It makes a change to see a battle after a boring 2015 season and a Ferrari in the mix to take advantage if the leaders stuff up a race or two.

[jens]

Watched the race yesterday with a "fast forward" motion.

Great to see two great drivers battling it out at the front with cars pretty close too. Good to see at least for once Ferrari could give Mercedes a real run for its money.

Rosberg has lost almost everything he gained early in the season...

Also it is somewhat visible the gaps between teams have closed this year compared to 2014 & 2015. Four different teams in the top 4. It felt like I haven't seen such thing for three years already. Back in 2013 there were races in which four different teams were at the front: RBR (Vettel), Ferrari (Alonso), Mercedes (Hamilton), Lotus (Räikkönen).

[Bagwan]

I've heard a number of times now from various sources , including the man , himself , saying that Lewis had "understeer" , and this is why he ran wide into Nico .
It makes complete sense that this is true , as he both wanted the position and wouldn't want to put his team mate off .

But , isn't "understeer" , where one loses adherence with the track and slides ?
A slide has you going straight , and not in complete control .

Now , to be fair , it was Rosberg who was squeezing Lewis's trajectory inward , and likely caused some of the issue , but it should have been his choice to do so because he was fully alongside with Lewis .

At that point , the rules say you are required to leave room .
That would have required a lift or an earlier braking point for Lewis , which he was not prepared to do .

Of course you take a risk going around the outside , but is it ever going to be worth the risk if the guy on the inside can just punt you off citing understeer as the reason ?

It sounds a lot like "I knew he was there but refused to slow down enough to make the corner tighter just because he was there , so I lost control and took him off , so that's ok then ." .


Lewis said it wasn't intentional that he punted him off .
Toto is tired of these discussions after the racing ends .
Coming out of the third corner 2nd and 9th , after starting first and second is not what he wants .




Please , somebody , explain to me why this kind of action is ok for anyone , not just Lewis .

[dj_bytedisaster]

Please , somebody , explain to me why this kind of action is ok for anyone , not just Lewis .

It wasn't understeer, that's just the excuse. The stewards didn't even investigate though, so I guess it is a valid move now. It must suck to be Rosberg right now. He let's Lewis pass at Monaco and as a way of thank you he's being punted off the next race. Guess he'll finally know where his place is then.

[The Black Knight]

Even Rosberg said that it was a fair racing manoeuvre afterwards but you guys just continue on and make something out of nothing.

[Bagwan]

Even Rosberg said that it was a fair racing manoeuvre afterwards but you guys just continue on and make something out of nothing.

Not exactly .
He said he was "hacked off" at first , and then he implied that he wouldn't back out of it next time .

It was not "nothing" .

[Bagwan]

It wasn't understeer, that's just the excuse. The stewards didn't even investigate though, so I guess it is a valid move now. It must suck to be Rosberg right now. He let's Lewis pass at Monaco and as a way of thank you he's being punted off the next race. Guess he'll finally know where his place is then.

Toto did say he was unhappy with the move .
Tough to manage the two egos in this situation .

[henners88]

I've heard a number of times now from various sources , including the man , himself , saying that Lewis had "understeer" , and this is why he ran wide into Nico .
It makes complete sense that this is true , as he both wanted the position and wouldn't want to put his team mate off .

But , isn't "understeer" , where one loses adherence with the track and slides ?
A slide has you going straight , and not in complete control .

Now , to be fair , it was Rosberg who was squeezing Lewis's trajectory inward , and likely caused some of the issue , but it should have been his choice to do so because he was fully alongside with Lewis .

At that point , the rules say you are required to leave room .
That would have required a lift or an earlier braking point for Lewis , which he was not prepared to do .

Of course you take a risk going around the outside , but is it ever going to be worth the risk if the guy on the inside can just punt you off citing understeer as the reason ?

It sounds a lot like "I knew he was there but refused to slow down enough to make the corner tighter just because he was there , so I lost control and took him off , so that's ok then ." .


Lewis said it wasn't intentional that he punted him off .
Toto is tired of these discussions after the racing ends .
Coming out of the third corner 2nd and 9th , after starting first and second is not what he wants .




Please , somebody , explain to me why this kind of action is ok for anyone , not just Lewis .

Nico had under steer in Monaco qualifying a couple of years ago and did not slide sideways but went completely in a straight line. Loss of traction comes in many forms.

[Bagwan]

Nico had under steer in Monaco qualifying a couple of years ago and did not slide sideways but went completely in a straight line. Loss of traction comes in many forms.

So , you are calling it "revenge understeer" ?