Wrc Espana-Catalunya 2015

**dimviii** · 24th October 2015, 19:16

**AL14** · 24th October 2015, 19:57

Originally Posted by Mirek

Was it posted here? Another crash of Bertelli from today's first stage. Quite embarrassing in fact...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIVSM7A9C1s

This is what happens when you want to reach a level without respecting it, even if you have the possibility to compete there. This is the same reason why when Lappi won 2 rallies in a row I said he should stay in WRC2 at least another year (don't misunderstand I'm not saying Lappi and Bertelli are similar, Lappi do have hopes), and the reason why I said from the very beginning that Bertelli did not belong to the sport.

He did some good thing last year but he won Sardinia when every other competitors had problems, he took some good points on other rounds but he participated to extraeuropean rally with few competitors, he took 3rd place in Wales but with 2 minutes gap from leader.
He did not consider this, he just saw himself leading the category only because he did more rounds at the beginning. But the WRC does not forgive anything and now he is paying for his haughtiness toward the sport.

Too much excessive judgement? Maybe, but I see it form this point of view, WRC is not a game or a joke, is a serious thing in my opinion. It's not a question of achievements. For example I respect Prokop, he is slow but he has a role in the championship, he is a serious driver, works hard, knows what rally is about, do not blame his co-driver when he did bad events and do not retire before power stages to go home early.

**Rallyper** · 24th October 2015, 19:57

Originally Posted by liposh

In fact it doesn´t mean anything. Sandell back in 2010 won both Germany and Alsace and one year later he was nearly not able to score any points in competition with IRC guys like Hanninen, Mikkelsen, Kopecky, Neuville etc. He was just tragic.

EDIT: Yeah, I remember it right. Sandell statistics seems very funny to me. SWRC2010: 2 tarmac events- 2 wins. ...IRC2011: 3 tarmac events- 9th, 9th, 12th

So what you guys saying is that Tidemand outpacing everyone day 1 in Spain doesn´t mean anything to you. He still is just a mediocre driver.
Isn´t it a matter of how much you can drive rallies? Sandell to me did soemthing but lack of funding didn´t get him any chances to drive rallies.

Regarding Tidemand all bla bla bla about every other driver, including Camilli, Lefebvre, Kopecky, Ketomaa, Breen etz, being equaly fast or maybe even faster is total rubbish atm. Note this is a tarmac rally and not gravel.

**AL14** · 24th October 2015, 20:01

Any video of Latvala puncture?

**tommeke_B** · 24th October 2015, 20:16

Seen some very nice action on the tarmac stages as well, especially from the R5 cars. Did only 3 stages today, we thought it was better to choose some spots we really liked, rather than just choose the easiest access for maybe one more stage. People who say tarmac is boring are clearly choosing the wrong places...

**liposh** · 24th October 2015, 20:29

Originally Posted by Rallyper

So what you guys saying is that Tidemand outpacing everyone day 1 in Spain doesn´t mean anything to you. He still is just a mediocre driver.

Tidemand is not mediocre driver. He is one of the best from young drivers on all surfaces. But let´s say on tarmac he has least experience. It is just...win last year Germany doesn´t mean anything. Nobody from us here knows how good the level of rallying in WRC2 is. And Kopecky is capable to achieve that and beat Tidemand. Just imagine situation: Rally Finland. Kopecky first and Tidemand second chasing Kopecky. Would you bet on Tidemand? I would. Finnish gravel is Tidemand´s surface. And this is Kopecky´s surface. That is all.

**dimviii** · 24th October 2015, 20:42

Originally Posted by tommeke_B

People who say tarmac is boring are clearly choosing the wrong places...

+1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tt1OVah8as

**N.O.T** · 24th October 2015, 20:45

Originally Posted by tommeke_B

People who say tarmac is boring are clearly choosing the wrong places...

these people are usually hairpin guys and people who follow the sport for other reasons than the action.

**dimviii** · 24th October 2015, 20:48

onboard crashes from Tanak and Evans
https://youtu.be/LPg2FWHKh1M

RS · 24th October 2015, 21:07

Tidemand is leading because he did a great job yesterday and because of Kopecký's 'problem' this morning.

I believe without slowing on today's first stage Kopecky could have taken Tidemand today, but whether he would be allowed to is a different matter, especially now that Lappi is out of the title race.