The new FIA WRC-car concept 2017

[sollitt]

Not wrong. Generally Group B cars were derivatives of cars people could either buy or associate with. They looked like cars (S4 excepted), not like some futuristic plastic toy.

[Mirek]

Not really. Those cars were built only in homologation series of 200 pieces which had nearly nothing common with the original stock "name holder". The few pieces from homologation series not being used for competition were a lot more rare cars than the most expensive Ferrari or Lamborgini cars of the time.

For example Peugeot 205 T16 had a lot less common with stock 205 (the basic mass produced variant) than Fiesta WRC with stock Fiesta. The later share at least the bodyshell

[janvanvurpa]

I sincerely hope not. Sports cars ... yes, but once rally cars lose their connection to everyday transport the sport will lose all relevance and the majority of it's following.

That happened both during the Group B era...205 having just the headlights and grille and sharing nothing else including being a much much larger car (around 99+ inches wheelbase vs sub 96" on the road car..Metro shared nothing, RS200 used Sierra glass and dash and a few other parts but nothing really meaningful) and with the introduction of the World Rally Car
subset of Group A rules..

Cow's out of the barn long ago..

And probably explains a large degree of the fall in participation and viewership.

Those absurd looking child's drawings caricatures just above look ridiculous to me.. But then again I am not a 14 year old boys who plays video games. Which IS the "target demographic".

[janvanvurpa]

Wrong!

Think cars like 037, delta S4, RS 200, quattro, celica. Those were not "everyday transport" and people were following...

You could however buy one of the 200 base models and it was---somehow---"street legal".
And I've seen some on the road..

[sollitt]

For example Peugeot 205 T16 had a lot less common with stock 205 (the basic mass produced variant) than Fiesta WRC with stock Fiesta. The later share at least the bodyshell

Didn't matter how much it had in common with the road going version at all. Fact was it could be identified as an off shoot from the road going car.

[sollitt]

You could however buy one of the 200 base models and it was---somehow---"street legal".
And I've seen some on the road..

Exactly the point.

[Mirek]

Didn't matter how much it had in common with the road going version at all. Fact was it could be identified as an off shoot from the road going car.

I don't agree with You, often they didn't share even the shape.

This is how Delta S4 looked and below is how stock Delta looked...

Exactly the point.

50-100 pieces for the whole Globe. Really nice of them. It's hardly more difficult to buy WRC car and drive it to supermarket...

[Grundo Farb]

I don't agree with You, often they didn't share even the shape.

This is how Delta S4 looked and below is how stock Delta looked...






50-100 pieces for the whole Globe. Really nice of them. It's hardly more difficult to buy WRC car and drive it to supermarket...

I will see your lancia example and raise you this one:

lancia.jpg

[Lundefaret]

It would have been better if the R5 and WRC cars were built around a space frame, like in the Group B-era, or like Peugeots Pikes Peak winner.
A space frame is "easy" to modify, so You can change the wheelbase, track with etc, whitout making a whole new car, and You can also change the bodywork, whitout building a whole new car.
This is how they do it in American motorsport (Nascar, Dragracing etc). Its potentially a huge cost saver to do it like this.

[Mirek]

I agree with that.