The Official Sebastian Vettel Fan Support Group Thread

[jens]

Oh yes here is a little gem from Ferrari.com the official Ferrari web page.

Seems a little odd that they would forget that Fred won his first race at Ferrari, or did they?

I read that article on their page and looks like it is concentrated on Australian GP history. But Alonso won his debut Ferrari race in Bahrain, as indicentally this was the season opener that year.

[Bagwan]

Baggie you are really being very naïve imho .
You're taking the company line hook line, and sinker, which it is exactly what Ferrari want you to do. For christ sake at least Fred spoke Italian, which gave him a huge advantage in giving 'input'. Please produce a link that supports your hypotheses, because I think all you are doing is parroting what the official line is from the Ferrari propaganda machine, which I am finding quite amusing, on top of being extremely naïve.
The only question now is how deep you will swim with the bait

Oh yes here is a little gem from Ferrari.com the official Ferrari web page.

Seems a little odd that they would forget that Fred won his first race at Ferrari, or did they?

That's me , Taz , naive all over the place .

I guess you'd have to say that it perhaps was the tv announcer who was being "naive" , as he was the one relating the idea from the team .
I'm just here to make sure you heard it , as we were talking about feedback Fred .

Good on Fred for speaking Italian , but , you know that's a little more for the fans than for the team , right ?
You know they have a few English speakers there too , right ?

As for getting the stats wrong , I would rather they put the incompetent employee in that position than on the race team .
They look foolish to the anorak , but they came third in the race .


I hope Fred shows up next race , and not in a go-kart from 25 years ago .
And , I hope Mac and Honda show up as well .

[airshifter]

I read that article on their page and looks like it is concentrated on Australian GP history. But Alonso won his debut Ferrari race in Bahrain, as indicentally this was the season opener that year.

How quick they are to forget. Though in context, it was Kimi who ended the long streak of not winning the first race, so maybe it wasn't intentional by Ferrari.

This is not to take anything away from Seb, because I'm glad the team picked him up as he is a skilled driver in the prime of his career. But If you do some serious investigating, as opposed to theorizing about some type of driver chemistry , you will realize that Ferrari are improved, because they have invested 22 of their 32 tokens into the PU already, and obviously it is paying dividends, and I think the influence of Allison is starting to show in the drivability of their chalenger. It also is very helpful having the kind of budget that they have, to pay good engineers to develop the car, and two talented drivers driving the things.

My opinion came from far more than a theory about driver chemistry, but from paying attention to the recent history at Ferrari. When the team mentality allows both drivers to race, their team does better. That and sweeping changes in management that affected the team mentality are large factors IMO.

Rubens left after being sick of being a required #2. Massa steps in and becomes the new #2. MS retires, Kimi steps in. Kimi and Massa are allowed to race, resulting in 1 WDC and a very close 2nd by the two drivers, with the close second drama coming down to the last corner of the last race, courtesy of Vettel passing Hammy in the wet. 2009 shows the world what a blow it was for Ferrari to lose Ross Brawn, as the Brawn car shows dominance. So for 2010 they remove their most recent WDC winner and bring in Alonso. Cue team orders, the largest allowed fine for bringing the sport into disrepute and Massa once again knowing he is #2. After a couple years of Massa being number 2, they bring Kimi back. So they sacked the guy that brought them within a point of a WDC, and kept the guy that never brought them that close, all while making it clear the car would be developed to his liking. And even after soundly beating Kimi in 2014, Fred has had enough and walks.

Ferrari have been their own worst enemies IMO. By demoting one driver when rules allow (and often when the rules didn't allow) they destroy that drivers morale. The sweeping team changes that started after spygate continued to happen, and started with moving all the Italians to the senior positions regardless of ability. Head chopping continued to the point of essentially blaming Alonso for not doing enough, despite the fact that he was driving the wheels off a car that was obviously a pig. Ferrari made a car not only down on power, but at twitchy as an addict in need of a fix. I'm surprised even Fred could drive the thing.

And in 2014 alone, Ferrari saw major changes in president, team principle, chief designer, engineering director, and the engine department.



What Ferrari need IMO is some stability, and to act as a team rather than a group of people assigning blame when the team doesn't come out on top. I hope the recent changes are the end of the instability. If not, neither Seb nor Kimi has a chance at another title IMO. But when I see drivers supporting each other, working with the engineers and pit personnel, and liking their jobs that is an indication to me that the team mentality is in place. They have two drivers both proven capable of WDC winning drives and seasons. What they need is to take a deep breath and let the team settle to function at their top level, showing loyalty to the members that have always performed at their highest level in attempts to bring them titles. This means replacing nobody.... at any level.... until they have a proven better person to do the job.

The mentality of cutting heads hasn't worked.

In a way I find it quite amusing that Vettel has got a personal "Fan" thread here on this forum. I am unsure, what the initial motivations were, when this thread was created, but discussion has developed pretty nicely here over time!

I think when it started it was more a tongue in cheek jab at the extremes of the fanbois and haters trading jabs. I'm sure some of this will continue, as both camps will obviously continue to exist. I could quote some posts after the first race that would back that statement, but I think most of us see who the extremists are.



I just hope Seb made the move to the right Ferrari. The team needs to get their act together and collectively work on catching up with Mercedes, remaining optimistic yet accepting that it won't happen overnight. They once again appear to have two motivated and capable drivers, and I hope the two are allowed a fair fight on track.

[Tazio]

I read that article on their page and looks like it is concentrated on Australian GP history. But Alonso won his debut Ferrari race in Bahrain, as indicentally this was the season opener that year.

I don't think you read it very well Dawg. Why did they mention Fangio, il leon, and Mario? none of those bro dudes won at Oz in a Ferrari.

Kimi Raikkonen won his maiden outing for Ferrari, an achievement matched only by Juan Manuel Fangio, Mario Andretti and Nigel Mansell.
http://formula1.ferrari.com/en/races...term=401976688

[Tazio]

That's me , Taz , naive all over the place .

I guess you'd have to say that it perhaps was the tv announcer who was being "naive" , as he was the one relating the idea from the team .
I'm just here to make sure you heard it , as we were talking about feedback Fred .

Good on Fred for speaking Italian , but , you know that's a little more for the fans than for the team , right ?
You know they have a few English speakers there too , right ?

As for getting the stats wrong , I would rather they put the incompetent employee in that position than on the race team .
They look foolish to the anorak , but they came third in the race .


I hope Fred shows up next race , and not in a go-kart from 25 years ago .
And , I hope Mac and Honda show up as well .

That employee is the head of the Ferrari propaganda machine That is not incompetence, and if it was I would expect a correction mate!
.........still waiting
At any rate it should be an interesting season. Let's see how fair the "new" team is to both pilotas this season! I suggest that not much has changed in that dept.

[jens]

I don't think you read it very well Dawg. Why did they mention Fangio, il leon, and Mario? none of those bro dudes won at Oz in a Ferrari.

You are right, I didn't read well. Well, guess, they... forgot then? Like I forgot to read properly! These things happen.

[Bagwan]

That employee is the head of the Ferrari propaganda machine That is not incompetence, and if it was I would expect a correction mate!
.........still waiting
At any rate it should be an interesting season. Let's see how fair the "new" team is to both pilotas this season! I suggest that not much has changed in that dept.

The guy with the "kick me" sign on his back always appreciates someone letting him know , before he gets kicked too often .
Did you send a wee note to Ferrari to let them know ?

If not , don't expect them to notice , as they are too busy keeping we , the naive , in stories , being that neither Seb or Kimi knows how to twit .

The reds stated that they had some pretty low ambition at first , but now they have seen a little potential , I think they understand that taking the fight to Mercedes will mean using both cars , because they see it as , in fact , possible . They are talking bigger now .

All there know the whole package is better , but the announcer went out of the way to say that the accolade
for Seb was as much taken as a shot at Fred .


Any way , no worries .
We'll see how his awesome simulator feedback improves the car next weekend .

[Tazio]

+1
Cheers mate!

[Tazio]

The guy with the "kick me" sign on his back always appreciates someone letting him know , before he gets kicked too often .
Did you send a wee note to Ferrari to let them know ?

If not , don't expect them to notice , as they are too busy keeping we , the naive , in stories , being that neither Seb or Kimi knows how to twit .

The reds stated that they had some pretty low ambition at first , but now they have seen a little potential , I think they understand that taking the fight to Mercedes will mean using both cars , because they see it as , in fact , possible . They are talking bigger now .

All there know the whole package is better , but the announcer went out of the way to say that the accolade
for Seb was as much taken as a shot at Fred .


Any way , no worries .
We'll see how his awesome simulator feedback improves the car next weekend .

Both Alonso and McLaren have spoken of their belief that the Spaniard will be cleared to race, but the FIA will have the final say regarding his fitness.
The 33-year-old will head to Cambridge University on Sunday for the first test where he will be examined by three FIA-appointed doctors.
Should Alonso pass Sunday's test he will head to Malaysia where the remaining tests will be conducted. Once in Malaysia, medical delegate of the FIA, Jean-Charles Piette, will conduct reaction and cognitive tests and compare the results to readings from when Alonso had previously done the tests. Finally, Alonso will be checked out by a doctor at the Sepang International Circuit.

At least I took McLaren in FGB , and his friends, and our family at
"The Fighting Anglo Mafia" send our best wishes and prayers out to Fred. Get well soon champ!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak3J5DayiCk

[jens]

Yay, Vettel second, split the two Mercedes in the wet.