Whats going to Happen at Mercedes

[henners88]

I'd rather keep it on topic.

[longisland]

I said it in another thread & repeat here. It may be 85 again. it's never senna vs Prost. They won 15 out of 16 races until Suzuka. Daniel has won 3 so don't be surprised if he does a Prost over Mansell & Piquet to Lewis & Nico. Lewis, like Mansell, has more natural speed & a crowd pleaser with his spectacular wins but often hampered by inconsistency. Rosberg, on the other hand, is scoring points regularly albeit lacking a stellar drive.
Most people applauded Lewis for making a Champions decision in defying team order in Hungary. I supposed this is a champions reply from Rosberg, albeit clumsy.

[Bagwan]

By the way , Michael did admit that he turned in on Jacques , framing it with "Deliberate , but instinctual ."
This has nothing in common with that .

Lewis assumed Nico would back out of it , and assumed he had the corner , and took his normal racing line .
Based on the last race , where he squeezed Nico , and Nico relented , it was a reasonable assumption .

But , had he heard Nico say that he had learned a lot from the last race , where his team mate had felt aggrieved at his dismissal of team orders , and he had forced his team mate off , he might have known Nico was going to stiffen his defence and push his own agenda .

Lewis , in one interview I read , dismissed Nico's feelings completely , saying they had had a meeting before the race where he couldn't believe Nico was still upset about that last race before the break .
Nico felt betrayed by his team when there was no sanction , and , in fact , out right backing of the betrayal .

This buoyed Lewis , despite his team's insistence that he was destroying his tires , that he was right in his decision .


Merc is responsible for letting this go too far .
But , it's very entertaining to watch .

I hope Lewis understands the point that Nico was making here .

He's going to be there , so don't just assume he's backed out of it .
They've had some really good wheel to wheel in the past , and we may be in for a lot more if they can just put the politics aside .

The stewards had them both responsible , and I think that at the end of the day , that's really the best conclusion .

They need to sort it out on track , and bring both cars home .

[steveaki13]

By the way , Michael did admit that he turned in on Jacques , framing it with "Deliberate , but instinctual ."
This has nothing in common with that .

Lewis assumed Nico would back out of it , and assumed he had the corner , and took his normal racing line .
Based on the last race , where he squeezed Nico , and Nico relented , it was a reasonable assumption .

But , had he heard Nico say that he had learned a lot from the last race , where his team mate had felt aggrieved at his dismissal of team orders , and he had forced his team mate off , he might have known Nico was going to stiffen his defence and push his own agenda .

Lewis , in one interview I read , dismissed Nico's feelings completely , saying they had had a meeting before the race where he couldn't believe Nico was still upset about that last race before the break .
Nico felt betrayed by his team when there was no sanction , and , in fact , out right backing of the betrayal .

This buoyed Lewis , despite his team's insistence that he was destroying his tires , that he was right in his decision .


Merc is responsible for letting this go too far .
But , it's very entertaining to watch .

I hope Lewis understands the point that Nico was making here .

He's going to be there , so don't just assume he's backed out of it .
They've had some really good wheel to wheel in the past , and we may be in for a lot more if they can just put the politics aside .

The stewards had them both responsible , and I think that at the end of the day , that's really the best conclusion .

They need to sort it out on track , and bring both cars home .

A lot of sense as usual Bagwan

[longisland]

People tend to have a short memory. Fans & commentators lauded Lewis when he fended off Rosberg with obvious aggressive moves in Bahrain. Nobody seemed to bother Nico showing his dissatisfaction in the post race interview. Lewis was that much better even Nico is on fresh tires. It may have ended in tears had Nico not lifted. Then there was the call in Sepang in 2013. Lauda's right. It's not appropriate to make such a risky move early in the race; however, it's about time Nico decides what's best for himself with 7 race left.

[Mia 01]

I have rewatched the incident, Lewis knewed quite well that Nico was on the outside and had superior speed hence he let his car drift out and nearly forced Nico off track. Nico saw this and backed down but to late. Lewis on the radio: Ohhh he hit me, he hit me me me.

A racing incident but I´m not so sure the fault was Nicos.

[Doc Austin]

A lot of people simply hate Lewis or hate Nico and that influences their view. I like both of the Mercedes drivers and hated to see this whole thing happen at all. As such, I think I can look at the video and have an unbiased view. I also have a little experience in a race car, not that it matters, but I understand how some of this stuff works.

I was a big fan of Keke and really wanted to see his son succeed. Some of you might remember (or not) that I was willing to give Nico the benefit of the doubt after Monoco, and I did not want to believe what I was seeing yesterday.

Why would you crank the steering wheel toward your teammate unless that's where you wanted to car to go?

No matter how you look at it, there is no getting away from the fact that Nico cranked the wheel over hard toward Lewis, when all he had to do was crank left and go around the next corner, or at least over the curb and avoid a collision. While this doesn't prove Nico hit Hammy on purpose, there is no doubt Nico did absolutely nothing to avoid the collision.

Backing up a bit, Nico has gone off the track a few times (aside from Monoco) in qualifying this year. Once was Hungary, and there was another incident where I can't remember the track. In both instances, there was none of the weird back and worth sawing of the steering wheel like there was when Nico went off at Monoco. It looked weird at the time, but now that I have less faith in Nico's sporting ethic, I think he drove down the escape road on purpose and the flailing of the steering wheel was just theatrics to sell the notion he had made a mistake instead of a cold, calculated cheat. He wanted the car to look out of control.

Maybe the most telling sign is that the team was so visibly upset with Nico. They can't exactly come out and say Nico punted Hamilton on purpose, but they also did not hide their displeasure. In the heat of the moment they were very definitely angry with Nico, and it was only hours after the fact that they were saying Hamilton misinterpreted Nico. It was only hours after the fact .... hours after everyone had calmed down, that Mercedes tried to smooth this over and make Nico look less at fault.

But again, let's leave emotion and conjecture out of it. Let's not try to say we know what Nico was thinking. I just want to know why he pointed the car at Hamilton's car unless that's exactly where he wanted it to go.

[The Black Knight]

A lot of people simply hate Lewis or hate Nico and that influences their view. I like both of the Mercedes drivers and hated to see this whole thing happen at all. As such, I think I can look at the video and have an unbiased view. I also have a little experience in a race car, not that it matters, but I understand how some of this stuff works.

I was a big fan of Keke and really wanted to see his son succeed. Some of you might remember (or not) that I was willing to give Nico the benefit of the doubt after Monoco, and I did not want to believe what I was seeing yesterday.

Why would you crank the steering wheel toward your teammate unless that's where you wanted to car to go?

No matter how you look at it, there is no getting away from the fact that Nico cranked the wheel over hard toward Lewis, when all he had to do was crank left and go around the next corner, or at least over the curb and avoid a collision. While this doesn't prove Nico hit Hammy on purpose, there is no doubt Nico did absolutely nothing to avoid the collision.

Backing up a bit, Nico has gone off the track a few times (aside from Monoco) in qualifying this year. Once was Hungary, and there was another incident where I can't remember the track. In both instances, there was none of the weird back and worth sawing of the steering wheel like there was when Nico went off at Monoco. It looked weird at the time, but now that I have less faith in Nico's sporting ethic, I think he drove down the escape road on purpose and the flailing of the steering wheel was just theatrics to sell the notion he had made a mistake instead of a cold, calculated cheat. He wanted the car to look out of control.

Maybe the most telling sign is that the team was so visibly upset with Nico. They can't exactly come out and say Nico punted Hamilton on purpose, but they also did not hide their displeasure. In the heat of the moment they were very definitely angry with Nico, and it was only hours after the fact that they were saying Hamilton misinterpreted Nico. It was only hours after the fact .... hours after everyone had calmed down, that Mercedes tried to smooth this over and make Nico look less at fault.

But again, let's leave emotion and conjecture out of it. Let's not try to say we know what Nico was thinking. I just want to know why he pointed the car at Hamilton's car unless that's exactly where he wanted it to go.

Bingo! If he can explain this then I'd happily put this down to a racing incident. Unfortunately, the thing is that, the only explanation that stands up to scrutiny is that he wanted to take Hamilton out of it and did so rather successfully.

[Doc Austin]

Bingo! If he can explain this then I'd happily put this down to a racing incident. Unfortunately, the thing is that, the only explanation that stands up to scrutiny is that he wanted to take Hamilton out of it and did so rather successfully.

If the tail end is stepping out at that point, the car would be trying to spin clockwise (when viewed from above). The way to save the car would be to turn into the slide (point the car where you want it to go). Instead, Nico turned the other way, into Hamilton (point the car where you want it to go).

In the end, I can't think of an instance where you would do anything but point the car where you want it to go. As such, I also don't believe Nico was trying to slot in behind and misjudged it. He pinched Hamilton so hard going into the first corner that they banged wheels. Right there would have been enough reason to back out and try again later. If you are so close to your teammate that you hit wheels, why would you not save the situation by backing out and live to fight another day? Why push a bad position, especially with your teammate ... unless, that is, a collision was what you wanted to begin with?

I would love to be able to find an excuse for what Nico did, but I just can't. I believe a lot of the people defending Nico watched the video from outside the car and made up their minds then. The really damming evidence is Nico's in car camera and the amount of lock he put into the steering wheel. Why would you need to apply that much right lock to go around the next left hand corner? Why turn right when left would take you away from the collision, unless the collision was exactly what you wanted?

[henners88]

I have rewatched the incident, Lewis knewed quite well that Nico was on the outside and had superior speed hence he let his car drift out and nearly forced Nico off track. Nico saw this and backed down but to late. Lewis on the radio: Ohhh he hit me, he hit me me me.

A racing incident but I´m not so sure the fault was Nicos.

You're right, Lewis should have had his eyes glued to the mirror in case the car behind wanted him to get off the racing line mid corner after braking from over 200mph! Haha... Watch it again and see if you can find anything else Lewis did wrong, I'm off to rub some Ibuleve gel into my sides. Bless you Mia, you don't half entertain.