6R4 Super Challenge @ Sunseeker rally 08

[m.lowe]

Motorsport News has finally published the plans for the 6R4 Super Challenge to take place at Rallye Sunseeker 08. Jo Holland contacted Metro 6R4 Online News for some help in this matter on certain cars and I'm glad to say that Metro 6R4 Online News will be part of those celebrations on the event next year as part of a team of judges for the best turned out car.
Back in 1987 Malcolm Wilson won the forerunner event The Citroen Stages

and a year later ARG organsed a championship for Clubman spec Metros. Owners can become involved in Three ways. Either by competing, or a demo run at Somerley park on the Friday night or by a static display, anyone interested contact Jo Holland at [emailc5gvd41]jo.holland@haymarket.com[/emailc5gvd41]

[FAL]

Ironic really. If the MSC/A had not bowed to commercial pressure and let 6R4s run on nationally in 1987 against all logic after the FIA banned such vehicles from International rallies (and, even more ironically, starting them in 1987 on this very rally, that was and is organised by an individual with links to Austin Rover at the time) we might never have seen the recent row over "specials" in rallying and the hot air and backtracking over changes to GR. K.37.
We might then have had a so-called governing body that gets on with saving the sport rather than "spinning" its own image.

[leecarter]

FAL what a complete load of nonsense!!!!!!

I take it you dont like the 6r4 and you have and have an axe to grind with K37, on that matter do you REALLY KNOW what the proposals are and what they mean.

[FAL]

Were you there at the time? Are you aware of the detail of the latest, much toned-down K.37? Your childish offensive comment suggests not.
Try separating fact (and true long term rally history of production-based cars) from the myths that have grown up and the inappropriate vehicles that nearly killed all rallying for good over 20 years ago.

[leecarter]

FAL

Were you there at the time?
YES

Are you aware of the detail of the latest, much toned-down K.37?
Most certainly every detail
Your childish offensive comment suggests not.
Not at all!!!!!
Try separating fact (and true long term rally history of production-based cars) from the myths that have grown up and the inappropriate vehicles that nearly killed all rallying for good over 20 years ago.

Cast your mind back when they banned group B what have they got now!!!!!!!


Do YOU know the full detail of the proposal of K37 I suggest you dont, and what who it affects !!!!!!!

Have you read motorsports now or indeed the msa web site to see the detail ..........are you infact a licence holder or just a member of the bobble hat brigade

[FAL]

We've seen more than enough unnecessary stirring by those ill-informed about K37. Time you accepted that, of those of us actually rallying at International level at the time, most loathed both the introduction of 4wd and the vehicles way divorced from production that are today the only one's remembered as "GpB" by those not directly involved. Together, these two things killed rallying as we all knew it. Learn to accept that a great many competitors of the time hold that view, will continue to hold it and are entitled to hold it.
Quite separately, the National A event now known as the Sunseeker (originally only upgraded to that status over objections from within its own organising club) has been a major factor in destroying club level loose surface rallying in the south of England - to the extent that for some time now there have been insufficient cars there to run a true southern event without outside championships. Other factors have assisted things down that sad slope but the reduction to one Ringwood forest allocation a year and it going to a National Championship rally have been part of it.
The running of massed 6R4s on the 87 National championship when the FIA had just banned them was something not all wish to be reminded of. Why do you think manufacturers like Ford were not runing RS200s alongside them? The whole business leaves a nasty smell to this day.
If you are so keen on the more extreme non-homologated cars in rallies, do remember that the National Championship of which this rally was the first round next tried to ban all non GpA and N cars completely, first by imposing a 2000cc limit on non-homologated cars, then the next year a 1600cc limit. Some of us are proud to have been involved in overturning that.

[leecarter]

FAL
I can assure you there is no unnessary stirriing as you put it regarding the new K37 proposals, and i will ask the question again have you read them and understand what they mean.

If you require an explination pm me and i will explain

You have previously posted on another thread your feeling about 4wd rally cars having no place on rally stages .................you have stated this again for reasons known only to yourself or is it to bring back the "good old days " were men were men etc etc .............sorry times change we have historic rallying for that and some beutiful examples for sure driving as they should be, but dont stop progress but hey you have your opinion.

As for the sunseeker allowing the 6r4s and the politics surrounding forest allocation in the south i have no idea what beef you have with the organising club but its been a long long time ago and you really need to put it to bed.

[Bolton Midnight]

The forests down South are crap anyroad, 1½ mile long stages I ask you......pure pish

[m.lowe]

FAL
If it wasn't for Lee Carter and others the Metro 6R4 might of been stopped
The thing that killed Group B wasnt the speed of the cars it was the idiot spectators and the poor organisation of events to keep them back off the road
Portugal 86 spring to mind?

Whether you compete in an Escort, Nova upto Metros and WRC cars and have a crash its a thing in rallying that happens

Why single out the 6R4?
The real reason about K37 is due to insurance and in this liablalous world the MSA wont risk itself by allowing cars that are bodged together

The 6R4 was a low production run car and not a spaceframe as some people think and is in fact one if not the strongest cars around as I have provided pictures of cars that have rolled and people survived
David Llewellin 86 Welsh,, Andrew Nesbitt when he wrecked a JP Rallying car, and Stephen Price when he alked away from his massive accident on a Manx National years ago, plus Lyndon Barton's monumentous roll on Epynt which that car is now rebuilt.

Regarding Ford and the RS200 they where not interested in supporting the car in Rallies as they just wanted shot of them and most ended up on the roads and the others in Rallycross and a couple did go to rallying, Jeff Chrchill, Terry Maynard still runs his with a 34mm restrictor

[cut the b.s.]

Corsica 86 Mark? Or Corsica 85? To name but 2, I dont follow or understand FALs point but while I agree that the 6R4 was and is a safe car as were most GpB cars some werent, proximity of turbos and fuel tanks being 1 thing that comes to mind in some of them