Webber's Hydraulics

[millencolin]

all i can say is i hope they figure it out quickly! i'm not going to the japanese gp to see webber's car break!!! i want to see that red bull get across the line at least

[markabilly]

Heel & toe is just a basic requirement of 'advanced driving' for better downshifts. They pretty much know that you have to match engine speed with the correct gears on downshifts. F1 drivers are given all sorts of cars to play with personally and for hospitality eg. VIP hot laps.

Anthony Davidson and Jenson Button have mentioned the Honda Civic Type R (EP) as their favourite road cars, and they've done their bit for Honda PR!



The ECU blips the throttle. As I just mentioned at the top of this thread, there was a radio transmission from DC on the warm up lap at Turkey when DC complained about the car not blipping the throttle properly on downshifts.

The question remains:
Is it possible to be using the paddles in some inappropriate manner or rythm that would sooner or later cause issues with some component such as with Webber or KR?

Or can one simply shift at random up and down and the electronics et al, will always work perfectly to avoid damage

I know that despite the great braking capacity, in the past it was possible to abuse brakes such as they would be damaged or the discs even explode---

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The question remains:
Is it possible to be using the paddles in some inappropriate manner or rythm that would sooner or later cause issues with some component such as with Webber or KR?

Or can one simply shift at random up and down and the electronics et al, will always work perfectly to avoid damage

I know that despite the great braking capacity, in the past it was possible to abuse brakes such as they would be damaged or the discs even explode---

The right paddle is for upshifts, the left for downshifts. The electronics do all the work and the hydraulics is actual mechanism that changes gears.

Brakes aren't really good comparison because they're a mechanical device.

[markabilly]

The right paddle is for upshifts, the left for downshifts. The electronics do all the work and the hydraulics is actual mechanism that changes gears.

Brakes aren't really good comparison because they're a mechanical device.

Not trying to argue, but what i am curious is if doing the paddle thing at the wrong moment is something like forcing a gear shift. It took me awhile many years ago to realize that forcing the gearshift seldom damaged the gear per se, but could cause many issues elsewhere, including piston rods popping through the engine block.

So for those in the know, is there any thought that the generic term of hydralic failure is hiding some type of gearbox failure because the hydraulics, etc, just could not handle the wrong shift at the wrong time, or has the electronic sophistication reached a point, that one can do no damage no matter how or when they paddle?

[Garry Walker]

Over the years, it seems that most of Webber's failures have been hydraulic related.

Thankfully your good friend Garry Walker is here with some statistic analysis on your claim.
Webber has retired from 28 races due to car problems, 6 of them have been due to hydraulics.
I am not very sure, but I think that really isnt most...
Added to that, it is a bit rich to blame either of the RB drivers for this years car problems, unless you think they both suddenly forgot how to not kill the gearbox for example?
Newey and his co-designers have just overdone it a bit.

In some ways I would agree with you there. Mario Ilien remarked at the beginning of this year that Kimi is a car breaker because he's very hard on the car over kerbs.

You mean the comment he clarified a day later saying it was FABRICATED by the newspaper which published it.

[Gibbsy]

Marks been unfortunate to move from one team that was implementing a difficult seamless shift gearbox (Williams) and suffering the teething problems that go with it to another team (red Bull) that is implementing a difficult seamless shift gearbox and experiencing the teething problems that go with it.

[Mickey T]

Not trying to argue, but what i am curious is if doing the paddle thing at the wrong moment is something like forcing a gear shift. ?

no.

[quote="markabilly"]or has the electronic sophistication reached a point, that one can do no damage no matter how or when they paddle

yes. more than 10 years ago...

[markabilly]

no.

or has the electronic sophistication reached a point, that one can do no damage no matter how or when they paddle

yes. more than 10 years ago...

Thanks

Guess that means that outside of running the car into something or riding around too hard on the brakes, there just is not much that the driver can do break an otherwise healthy car (and I do put emphasis on healthy, as I suppose if the car were having some engine/drivetrain issue, the driver could still enhance the potential for an explosion or speed up the process so that it blows sooner rather than later but otherwise...)

[ArrowsFA1]

A driver should push the car to the limits and understand its limitations and its the job of the rest of the team to raise that limit.

That reminds me of the story told about Gilles Villeneuve's propensity to break Ferrari driveshafts, which the team then strenghtened.

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You mean the comment he clarified a day later saying it was FABRICATED by the newspaper which published it.

Regardless, my point is that there are some people who believe in 'making your own luck' such as Martin Brundle. He has pointed before that its possible to damage the car over bumps and kerbs since they set up the cars as stiff as possible. So you can imagine the shock that gets transfered onto the car: the rear dampers and anti-roll bar sit on top the gearbox. There was a time when you could damage the CV joint quite easily from smacking the kerbs and kerb-hopping.