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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Let's recap for a minute on Adrian Newey's achievements. He has won F1 championships with three teams, namely Williams, McLaren, and Redbull. Cumulating into 13 Constructors and/or drivers titles. Listed below are all the drivers and Newey cars that have won F1 titles:-

    1992 Williams FW14 - Nigel Mansell
    1993 Williams FW15C - Alan Prost
    1996 Williams FW18 - Damon Hill
    1997 Williams FW19 - Jacque Villenueve
    1998 - 1999 Mclaren MP4/13 - Mika Hakkennen
    2010 - 2013 Redbull RB6/7/8/9 - Sebastien Vettel
    2021 - 2023 Redbull RB17/18/19 - Max Verstappen
    [The 2021 title remains questionable of course]
    All of Newey's achievements wane of course comparing to your achievement of spelling 4 out of 7 world champions' names wrong

    What is interesting is that with the exception of Prost, all other drivers have achieved their first championship in a Newey-designed car. So he usually went where he saw the biggest unrealized potential, not necessarily where the major drivers were. This could speak against Ferrari.

    Also, the list shows that having Newey does not automatically and instantly produce a world championship for a team. He didn't design a champion-winning car in all of the 2000s and then had another dry spell at Red Bull in the second half of the 2010s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm99 View Post
    All of Newey's achievements wane of course comparing to your achievement of spelling 4 out of 7 world champions' names wrong
    :-)
    Well spotted, corrected now. That's what happens when one rushes to put stuff out l suppose.

    Fair point also about Newey making promising drivers World Champions. This time around, his motivation would be tempered with the desire to finish on a high. Making another team constructor's world champion would scratch that itch. It probably would need to be the sort of team that would make his name immortalized in F1 history. And it doesn't come bigger than Ferrari.

    I personally would like him to go back to Williams and make them world champions once more. But l doubt that, they were horrible to him when he left Williams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm99 View Post

    Also, the list shows that having Newey does not automatically and instantly produce a world championship for a team. He didn't design a champion-winning car in all of the 2000s and then had another dry spell at Red Bull in the second half of the 2010s.
    On the contrary; every team Newey left, went off a cliff soon after, and never recovered. From Williams to McLaren, it would be interesting to see if Redbull can survive him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    On the contrary; every team Newey left, went off a cliff soon after, and never recovered. From Williams to McLaren, it would be interesting to see if Redbull can survive him.
    Leyton House even went bust after Newey left
    McLaren did at least win a championship post-Newey (Hamilton in 2008).
    Williams' problem was losing both Newey and their works engine at the same time, something that Red Bull faces as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gm99 View Post
    Leyton House even went bust after Newey left
    McLaren did at least win a championship post-Newey (Hamilton in 2008).
    Williams' problem was losing both Newey and their works engine at the same time, something that Red Bull faces as well.
    The chassis that Hamilton won with was based on the Newey design that won Hakkinen his titles. Mclaren went down the tubes after the major rules change of 2009 when Mclaren had to produce a new chassis other than the Newey one. Brawn cracked it and took the 2009 title with Button, which set the stage for the Redbull run of wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    The chassis that Hamilton won with was based on the Newey design that won Hakkinen his titles. Mclaren went down the tubes after the major rules change of 2009 when Mclaren had to produce a new chassis other than the Newey one. Brawn cracked it and took the 2009 title with Button, which set the stage for the Redbull run of wins.
    I have my doubts that the MP 4/23 of 2008, designed by Tim Goss and Simon Lacey, was really based on a design Newey had made ten years earlier for the MP 4/13, especially considering there had been quite a few changes of the regulations in the intervening years (including a reduction the size of the rear diffusor in 2005).
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