Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 11 to 17 of 17
  1. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    2,390
    Like
    3
    Liked 303 Times in 164 Posts
    The "free market" option sounds great to begin with but it very quickly turns into a money battle and becomes very expensive for the tyre manufacturer who wants to win and for any team that has to buy their tyres to keep up with the team with a sponsorship deal from the best manufacturer. Not many tyre manufacturers these days are prepared to get into that kind of financial battle. Not all of them were even prepared to get into the bidding war for the WRC contract. If there was some way of making all teams source their tyres on the open market rather than through deals with the tyre makers it might work but even then how do you ensure that somebody doesn't get tyres with "trick" compounds to give them an advantage as has happened in saloon car racing in the past.

  2. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Posts
    734
    Like
    171
    Liked 706 Times in 333 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    This is all a principal question and a very interesting one because it's one which will always divide people. Generally there are two major directions which one can take.

    The first one is to make all condition for the drivers (crews) as even as possible by extreme restriction of the rules. By this you can achieve maximum weight of the crew skills in the overall result. In general it means to follow athletic sports and try to turn motorsport into human-only performance and by that also limit the vehicle to a simple tool - like shoes, skates, balls or hockey sticks. This is currect WRC.

    The second option is to go back to the essence of motorsport which didn't start as a competition of drivers (crews) but as a competition of machines. It's obvious that the more freedom of rules you give the higher is the weight of the machine performance in the overall result. This is where crazy engineering ideas appear and win races - something lost in rallying of the 80'. I think that most technical people would prefer more freedom of rules, not only about tyres but also about engines, suspension, you name it. The excitement coming from the technical development used to be part of the game but it's long gone. To be honest I am not interested in today's searching for which team used 0,5į larger castor or a slightly more angled wing leading edge on otherwise completely same machines.

    Now back to the tyres. You present something as a pure risk but in the same time it's also a potentional advantage. You can loose but just like that you can win, and win a lot. And it's not in any way a lottery. The manufacturers know how to measure performance and how to select their suppliers. In the end they can throw whatever shit on the tyre manufacturers but the selection is their choice. Having a single supplier is easy for everyone but it removes part of the competition which some other people would like to see.
    Of course, I completely agree that there is always the possibility of the upside as well as the downside.
    However, I donít think it will ever happen again in the main series because the tyre supply contract is a sponsorship and revenue stream for the series they support. If you have open tyres, the teams take the benefit of free tyres, whereas now the teams pay and the tyre manufacturer pays the series. Rallying has no doubt monetised the fuel supply as well with P1, rather than have each team with their own fuel suppliers.
    I personally like the technical freedom route for myself, but as the promoter of a series you will surely want the performance of the cars as close as possible with less variables that can lead to one team having a large advantage.
    That is the modern way of thinking rather than outright open competition.

  3. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2021
    Posts
    189
    Like
    33
    Liked 98 Times in 56 Posts
    Arent the tire rules in SuperGT similar to engines and chassis? "You can build stuff inside these specs to ensure a certain parity"...?

  4. #14
    Senior Member Sulland's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,375
    Like
    2,002
    Liked 1,366 Times in 709 Posts
    Under the current rwgulations, what possibilities has the newcomer Hankook have to test their development tyres in anger for the top 3 carclasses i WRC?

    Will they have to use ERC for rally2 and 3, and a mule for rally1, or are there loopholes?

  5. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    492
    Like
    177
    Liked 386 Times in 167 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Under the current rwgulations, what possibilities has the newcomer Hankook have to test their development tyres in anger for the top 3 carclasses i WRC?

    Will they have to use ERC for rally2 and 3, and a mule for rally1, or are there loopholes?
    I`m not sure but at least in the past the FIA has allowed for extra test days to the teams when a new controlled tire manufacturer arrives

  6. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    492
    Like
    177
    Liked 386 Times in 167 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Sulland View Post
    Under the current rwgulations, what possibilities has the newcomer Hankook have to test their development tyres in anger for the top 3 carclasses i WRC?

    Will they have to use ERC for rally2 and 3, and a mule for rally1, or are there loopholes?
    I`m not sure but at least in the past the FIA has allowed for extra test days to the Rally 1/WRC teams when a new controlled tire manufacturer arrives. the lower categories don`t have any testing restrictions so they can test how much they want

  7. #17
    Senior Member PLuto's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2001
    Location
    Zlin
    Posts
    8,328
    Like
    482
    Liked 3,758 Times in 1,671 Posts
    Some WRC teams were testing Hankook tyres, so development is in progress.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •