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    Stupid rules in WRC cirkus or how to change for the better

    Think this thread is needed. Here we can develop our thoughts about crazy rules, as in a particular way was shown in RMC 2021.

    Should we change things to the better finding out rallies are decided on liasions?

    Are there other things to be changed gaining the sport better ways of reaching new fans? (WRC2/3 rules, pointsscoring systems etz, etz)
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    I think we all will agree that system WRC2 / WRC2 Teams / WRC3 for R5 cars is crazy and should be changed. It is "updated" every year, but situation is less and less clear...

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    So Pluto if it was up to you,what did you have to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Should we change things to the better finding out rallies are decided on liasions?
    Rallies have been desided on liaisons since forever. Liaison is part of the rally route just like the stage is.

    There have been accidents on liaisons, time penalties for being late/too early in time controls. Cars have run out of fuel, out of electricity after alternator failure, overheated due to pierced radiators. Police stopped the competitors for speeding, police stopped them for violating other rules (driving on three wheels is a good example of an act which is in clear violation of traffic law). Crews have been excluded for not following the route given by the itinerary, for coming into time controls in wrong direction...

    Simply said, nobody won a rally on the liaison but many lost it there. It's part of the game.
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    When rallying started, most of the rallies were just liaisons. Rallies like Safari were basically nothing but liaisons. I don't see a problem with having liaisons. This is what separates rallying from other motorsports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    I think we all will agree that system WRC2 / WRC2 Teams / WRC3 for R5 cars is crazy and should be changed. It is "updated" every year, but situation is less and less clear...
    - One single WRC2 series
    - WRC2 manufacturer/team championship
    - Privateer cup for drivers who are not within manufacturer/teams. But privateers score also WRC2 points.

    Not sure if it's that much simpler though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Rallies have been desided on liaisons since forever. Liaison is part of the rally route just like the stage is.

    There have been accidents on liaisons, time penalties for being late/too early in time controls. Cars have run out of fuel, out of electricity after alternator failure, overheated due to pierced radiators. Police stopped the competitors for speeding, police stopped them for violating other rules (driving on three wheels is a good example of an act which is in clear violation of traffic law). Crews have been excluded for not following the route given by the itinerary, for coming into time controls in wrong direction...

    Simply said, nobody won a rally on the liaison but many lost it there. It's part of the game.
    All those situations mentioned had a disfunctional car or violating common traffic rules. Fans want to see their topdrivers. Don´t let them out becaause of lack of wheel to get to SP. That´s at least my opinion. And I stand for it.

    Talking about liasions and back in the days. Monte started in cities all over Europe. Want to go back to those times, with 2500 - 3000K liasions??
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    It's impossible to avoid liaisons problems to happen but bringing road legal issues into the sporting rules is a way to open a Pandora's box.

    We're now talking about the 3 wheels but what will happen when someone reminds to exclude cars without lights or body panels, once they also don't respect traffic rules? To the limit we'll be excluding all crews with a damaged car, making any touch or off eliminatory.

    Other brainless penalties seen on this RMC were related to corner cuts on SS4/7; 'extreme' corner cuts are part of the sport and unless there's a clear spectator risk they shouldn't be penalized.

    On the WRC2/3 split, a privateer's Cup was always the obvious solution to avoid Rally2 competitors dispersion. Sadly, Matton seems to be the only living soul thinking differently...
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    A top driver or top team should know better. If not it's their own loss. They took a gamble and lost. Rules are for a reason otherwise we all would drive around on 3 wheels. Get over it now, the series acts within these rule frames which is known to all participants. If you risk it or don't know the rules it's nobody elses fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    A top driver or top team should know better. If not it's their own loss. They took a gamble and lost. Rules are for a reason otherwise we all would drive around on 3 wheels. Get over it now, the series acts within these rule frames which is known to all participants. If you risk it or don't know the rules it's nobody elses fault.

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    It´s in the interest of everybody, organizers, promoters, sponsors, fans, to watch the drivers do what they are good at: driving fast on stages. Rules could be changed if just take a look from above. And adjust rules so that a driver missing a spare wouldn´t be excluded. (ACM rules differs, if they didn´t, this maybe wasn´t as big problem)

    I´ll be silent in that matter now.
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