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    Who knows, maybe Opel motorsport isn`t considered as a part of PSA motorsport...they were quite sufficient on their own...

    Just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis44 View Post
    So Citroen strategy was:

    Cry about Hybrid technology and demand it for the future to..... immediately leave the series with its introduction.

    We like to think those management moguls have it all figured out and planned when they clearly dont.
    They cried about hybrid technology and left to the hybrid series. For whatever reason they see WEC as a better investment for them but the main thing stays - they went for the hybrid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd View Post
    Apparently the preferred supplier for the generic hybrid system is quoting £500k per car, hardly a cost reducer is it? Needless to say its a bit of a sticking point contract wise!
    Is that to install 1 set of parts into 1 chassis? or to run a car for the season? If it was £500k for a whole season then that’s not so bad, but for 1 set of parts it seems crazy.

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    When will new rules actually be finalised/published so manufacturers can start work?

    I see a good chance for Skoda coming back with a hybrid WRC

    - 2022 should coincide nicely with the early years of the next generation Fabia

    - if it's true they signed Oliver Solberg for three years i doubt he would want to spend three years in R5 cars

    - They are now launching lots of new hybrid cars under the iV brand, including the new Octavia this week

    Of course it was thought they might come back before when they signed all those drivers in 2018 but that came to nothing so won't get my hopes up too much..

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    Current WRC rallies are at a very high level, maybe higher than all the years since 1987 that I have been watching.
    True, the previous generation without the electronic differential offered more sideways sliding, but current cars show their extra speed and they are very well supplemented by the many R5s.
    Any change must be very carefully thought, as any spoiling of the image will be harmful or even dangerous, with so few manufacturers participating.
    Personally I would like to see the continuation of the present form. And, surely, rally cars must sound like rally cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    They cried about hybrid technology and left to the hybrid series. For whatever reason they see WEC as a better investment for them but the main thing stays - they went for the hybrid.
    It makes no sense at all to me. I think the WRC has far better media coverage than WEC. Even their main race in June doesn't get as much mainstream coverage as you'd think; especially when it clashes with F1.

    I have seen a comment somewhere, and it sort of makes sense; PSA/ Peugeot let the ACO down when they pulled the plug on their 2012 WEC programme whilst testing at Sebring shortly before the first round; as opposed pulling out of the WRC with Citroen who still had Loeb, and he was a big marketing factor.

    Now for the new Hybrid Hypercars, they want as many Manufacturers as they can get. This time the PSA group have possibly decided that the WEC will take precedence with Peugeot. Citroen & Ogier hasn't the same marketing pull as Loeb did. Who knows??

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    It makes no sense at all to me. I think the WRC has far better media coverage than WEC. Even their main race in June doesn't get as much mainstream coverage as you'd think; especially when it clashes with F1.
    PSA always said they could return to the WEC, as long new rules allowing a huge cost cut would be presented: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...rn-to-le-mans/

    The WEC is mainly about LM and LM is still a huge name, not only in Europe but also in the US and Asia, markets where PSA is interested to go or expand. Besides, as I’ve said the other day, PSA seems to be drifting from full in-house programs to partnerships with external companies, allowing them to share different knowhows and save on overall costs, something clearly not easy to find in the WRC.

    No matter how sad it’s to know Citroen will leave in 2022, as a rally fan I can only thank them for being in the WRC for almost 20 years and continuing to support the sport with their costumeur programs. Salut!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    PSA always said they could return to the WEC, as long new rules allowing a huge cost cut would be presented: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-ne...rn-to-le-mans/

    The WEC is mainly about LM and LM is still a huge name, not only in Europe but also in the US and Asia, markets where PSA is interested to go or expand. Besides, as I’ve said the other day, PSA seems to be drifting from full in-house programs to partnerships with external companies, allowing them to share different knowhows and save on overall costs, something clearly not easy to find in the WRC.

    No matter how sad it’s to know Citroen will leave in 2022, as a rally fan I can only thank them for being in the WRC for almost 20 years and continuing to support the sport with their costumeur programs. Salut!
    Yep, no-one can knock Citroen... they have been rally stalwarts (with M-Sport) for many difficult years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    It makes no sense at all to me. I think the WRC has far better media coverage than WEC. Even their main race in June doesn't get as much mainstream coverage as you'd think; especially when it clashes with F1.

    I have seen a comment somewhere, and it sort of makes sense; PSA/ Peugeot let the ACO down when they pulled the plug on their 2012 WEC programme whilst testing at Sebring shortly before the first round; as opposed pulling out of the WRC with Citroen who still had Loeb, and he was a big marketing factor.
    Yes but PSA is a French manufacturer and the biggest pull in WEC for them is Le Mans.
    Ive said it before and been shot down in flames, but the Wrc is too niche. Le Mans 24hrs means a lot more to more people than rallying does, like it or not. Yes Tanak has his movie out, but how many movies are made about rallying? Other than documentaries? None.
    How many films are made about Le Mans? A few, there is one just released in the cinemas now, and you can bet your life a hell of a lot more people from all walks of life have heard about it, and will go and watch it. The same can not be said about Tanak, the movie.

    Back a decade or two, manufacturers used to produce cars, with a rallying connection and make special editions of them.
    We used to get cars like the Toyota Celica GT-4 Carlos Sainz, the Mitsubishi Lancer evo Tommi Makinen, the Subaru Impreza turbo Colin McRae, the Impreza RB5, and latterly the RB320 (Richard Burns) Japanese market Impreza Toshio Aria limited edition, Petter Solberg limited edition (which was just plain WR1 in my home market) and the Citroen C2 and C4 by Loeb.
    Ok we can book end these with the Ford Escort Mexico, and the fairly recent Skoda Fabia Monte Carlo, but the days of having a manufacturer produce a car for the mass market with a rally drivers monika in stickers on the back of it are numbered, because rally drivers these days just don't have the notoriety that they once had.
    As successful as Ogier has been, I don't see a Citroen C3 by Ogier on the horizon, or a Hyundai i30N Tanak/Neuville/Loeb/delete as applicable edition any time soon.

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