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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    Ha Ha - Still waiting

    me too!
    hardest of the tasks (expecially in this global pandemic)

    then we can discuss what's the meaning for "better". i mean a regulation that help mantain this level of resonanceas a sport (or increase) and make manus (expecially new ones) happy to invest in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyler View Post
    me too!
    hardest of the tasks (expecially in this global pandemic)

    then we can discuss what's the meaning for "better". i mean a regulation that help mantain this level of resonanceas a sport (or increase) and make manus (expecially new ones) happy to invest in it.
    I genuinely feel like this thread and all the questions and potential solutions it has proposed, is probably not far off what the promotors and FIA are going over themselves.
    Feels like nobody knows what the best solution is for the sport right now.
    I wonder how it works behind the scenes. Are the promoters and FIA considering getting potential manufacturers and gauging their interest in the series if the regulations become X, Y or Z, or have they really committed to the 2022 regs in the hope that there may be new manus join the current crop.
    Trouble is, as we all know, that current crop is not looking as committed as they said they would be when the regs were drawn up.
    I just canít see how they can plough on knowing they are potentially going to lose Hyundai as a team, never mind the fact that nobody else seems interested.
    If this is about saving face, then now isnít the time. Hopefully theyíll see that they are going down the wrong path and start consultation to understand how manufacturers would use rallying successfully as a marketing vessel and use this to pave the way.
    The environmental aspect and now the pandemic have massively changed the face of motoring worldwide and rallying looks like itís going to take a huge hit unless it can find a way to be part of motoringís bigger picture going forward and not some private club for enthusiasts.
    This really is crisis time for the WRC and all indicators say that if they donít make some drastic changes, theyíll get left behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    I wonder how it works behind the scenes. Are the promoters and FIA considering getting potential manufacturers and gauging their interest in the series if the regulations become X, Y or Z, or have they really committed to the 2022 regs in the hope that there may be new manus join the current crop.
    Trouble is, as we all know, that current crop is not looking as committed as they said they would be when the regs were drawn up.
    I just can’t see how they can plough on knowing they are potentially going to lose Hyundai as a team, never mind the fact that nobody else seems interested.
    First of all, I'm quite sure the manufacturers have their voice in the meetings when new regulations are thought up.

    Also, this Hyundai thing is fairly new. Earlier this year Adamo spoke positively about the new rules https://dirtfish.com/motorsport/wrc-...has-ever-seen/

    Also interesting quote from him:

    Adamo speculated that the focus on hybrid technology may increase once the world has exited the pandemic, or hybrids may become the “last kick” to keep the large automotive names involved in motorsport at all.
    If someone at the top of Hyundai (the car company, not the rally team) decides that they are not supporting rallying anymore, it doesn't matter if they should be driving Rally1, Rally2 or Rally5 cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    First of all, I'm quite sure the manufacturers have their voice in the meetings when new regulations are thought up.

    Also, this Hyundai thing is fairly new. Earlier this year Adamo spoke positively about the new rules https://dirtfish.com/motorsport/wrc-...has-ever-seen/

    Also interesting quote from him:



    If someone at the top of Hyundai (the car company, not the rally team) decides that they are not supporting rallying anymore, it doesn't matter if they should be driving Rally1, Rally2 or Rally5 cars.
    If the manufacturers (and I assume you mean non-current entrants) have their voice heard, then where are they all? And why seemingly have the FIA come up with a set of regulations that only Toyota seem to want to commit to now?

    Also, it's completely irrelevant if the Hyundai thing is new or not. It's up to them if they change their mind and up to them when they change it (if that's what they are going to do).

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    Hyundai have been in on the LMDh discussions for a while - it's only recently the WRC media have known about it.

    While there is a great deal of uncertainty for all motorsport, as usual the WRC is looking like it might be the worst hit; Toyota and M-Sport - with Hyundai possibly off and nobody else. Not the basis for a sustainable series going forward.

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    Good, the wrc can go back to like the old days 40 plus years ago. If the local driver turned up in a Ford he had built in his own shed turned up at a WRC event, he could score points for Ford and himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    If the manufacturers (and I assume you mean non-current entrants) have their voice heard, then where are they all? And why seemingly have the FIA come up with a set of regulations that only Toyota seem to want to commit to now?
    No, it's the current manufacturers that get in the FIA meetings. I also remember that in 2018 or so Skoda also got the invite to the meetings, and that raised a rumor of them startin a WRC plan (who knows, maybe they had that plan back then but then something in economy changed).

    As for new manufacturers, again we can only guess but I would assume mr. Matton and the manufacturer would have a phone call or something before planning anything?

    Also, it's completely irrelevant if the Hyundai thing is new or not. It's up to them if they change their mind and up to them when they change it (if that's what they are going to do).
    Not completely irrelevant. All the current manufacturers had agreed on the new rules, but now all of a sudden someone at Hyundai decided otherwise. Thus the rules are not to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    No, it's the current manufacturers that get in the FIA meetings. I also remember that in 2018 or so Skoda also got the invite to the meetings, and that raised a rumor of them startin a WRC plan (who knows, maybe they had that plan back then but then something in economy changed).

    As for new manufacturers, again we can only guess but I would assume mr. Matton and the manufacturer would have a phone call or something before planning anything?


    Not completely irrelevant. All the current manufacturers had agreed on the new rules, but now all of a sudden someone at Hyundai decided otherwise. Thus the rules are not to blame.
    The uncertain element remains if the new regs were designed to appease those currently involved, or with the input of new potential entrants. Either way, they donít look like they are enticing anyone, apart from a Cumbrian that runs his business of the back of involvement in the sport and a Japanese guy whoís passion it is.
    And you know what I mean about Hyundai, Iím not saying itís the rules to blame, Iím saying itís irrelevant if they showed interest in the past and now they donít. Fact is, itís looking like they are not interested anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    The uncertain element remains if the new regs were designed to appease those currently involved, or with the input of new potential entrants. Either way, they don’t look like they are enticing anyone, apart from a Cumbrian that runs his business of the back of involvement in the sport and a Japanese guy who’s passion it is.
    And you know what I mean about Hyundai, I’m not saying it’s the rules to blame, I’m saying it’s irrelevant if they showed interest in the past and now they don’t. Fact is, it’s looking like they are not interested anymore.
    there are technical time tough, u can't change a reg a year because some manus change their mind in months time...

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